Words mean things

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There are no "regional" arilines. The last, actual, regional airline died a long time ago (around deregulation).

What should we call these airlines?

Contract airlines.

Because that's exactly what they are.

Maybe if we can drop the term "regional" the mindset that these are "small" airlines and the ability to justify their payscales may start to disappear as well.
 
Maybe the regions are just getting larger?

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Chris_Ford said:
Maybe the regions are just getting larger?

[SIZE=-1]"a large indefinite location on the surface of the Earth"[/SIZE]
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Funny, the circumference of the earth is the same today as it was twenty years ago. The states are all the same size. I haven't been privy to any info about major continental movements.
 
pilot602 said:
Funny, the circumference of the earth is the same today as it was twenty years ago. The states are all the same size. I haven't been privy to any info about major continental movements.

If anything the world is getting "smaller."
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I don't disagree but a "region" is a subjective term.

Polar regions versus Northwestern Arkansas Regional Area for example...
 
Chris_Ford said:
I don't disagree but a "region" is a subjective term.

Polar regions versus Northwestern Arkansas Regional Area for example...
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Not in this instance.

Regional airlines used to mean within a state or several state area. Not coast to coast networks and flag operations. Hence there are no more regional airlines.

Yet 99% of all "regional" airlines today operate under contract with some larger airline. Therefore the term "contractor" or "contract" is far more appropriate in describing what these airlines actually are and what they do.
 
Chris_Ford said:
I don't disagree but a "region" is a subjective term.

Polar regions versus Northwestern Arkansas Regional Area for example...
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Dude, leave Fayettville out of this. :)

I guess we technically fly in the North American region when there are trips like MEM-YYZ or IAH-YYZ on our schedule. Why not pay us the same as the guy flying the North American region from LAX-JFK. Ya know, make pilot pay more like ticket prices where you get paid per mile. Then we really WOULD be cab drivers!
 
I don't disagree about the pay. But calling regional a misnomer when the word regional is quite subjective is flawed at best.
 
Except when I step off the plane in XNA, I keep looking for the old lady in a blue smock to shove a shopping cart at me.....
 
Chris_Ford said:
I don't disagree about the pay. But calling regional a misnomer when the word regional is quite subjective is flawed at best.
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Arguing for argument's sake is called trolling.

We are contract carriers. We fly under contract for other airlines.

Historically the term regional has meant an area of a few states at best and under their own name/certificate. This no longer the case.
 
pilot602 said:
Arguing for argument's sake is called trolling.

We are contract carriers. We fly under contract for other airlines.

Historically the term regional has meant an area of a few states at best and under their own name/certificate. This no longer the case.
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ATA flies under contract for the military...

Several "legacies" fly under contract for the US Post Office.

I'm still wondering why a commuter is now a regional.
 
Chris_Ford said:
I don't disagree about the pay. But calling regional a misnomer when the word regional is quite subjective is flawed at best.
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You're killing me smalls. . . with your symantics.

First you try to hijack my married, single, rich, poor thread in the pro pilot forum, and now you want to argue about regional and regions, and whatever. . .@!!11

I still love you CF.

Why don't we call them Bid winners? Since you know, each "non-regional/contract/regional" airline interested had to become the lowest bidder to be selected by big daddy airline to do the flying for them? So

Bid Airlines.
 
I think Great Lakes is about the only "regional" that is still around. Horizon maybe, but one could argue they are just under contract for AS I think. Eagle is kind of in the same situation as Horizon but operates out of many regions.

I wonder if there is a market out there for a true regional these days since there aren't any really?

Are they still making 1900s? If someone started an airline and used them for flights of under 45 min or so would it be profitable?
 
Regionals are not even airlines in the traditional sense of the word. They have no routes, don't do any marketing or selling of tickets, and have none of their own passengers. No one says "Lets take Air Wisconsin to ... " They say "Let's take USAirways Express to ..."

Commuters/Feeders/Regionals fly small jets, so I vote for the term "Small Jet Provider."
 
skydog said:
Commuters/Feeders/Regionals fly small jets, so I vote for the term "Small Jet Provider."
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Don't forget, some companies just provide the crew/mx support, such as Pinnacle and to an extend ExpressJet. They don't even own the leases on their planes.

Others own things like gates (defunct ACA), slots (Republic), and have seats on the board at their mainline partner.

Still others do not only contract lift but also ground handling.

SkyWest has a "brand" out west, and do a little bit of branding with their cookies and cargo service.
 
pilot602 said:
Arguing for argument's sake is called trolling.

We are contract carriers. We fly under contract for other airlines.

Historically the term regional has meant an area of a few states at best and under their own name/certificate. This no longer the case.
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Isn't the title of this thread "Words mean things"? And then you get upset when someone "argues" the definition of the word? I don't get it.
 
skydog said:
Regionals are not even airlines in the traditional sense of the word. They have no routes, don't do any marketing or selling of tickets, and have none of their own passengers. No one says "Lets take Air Wisconsin to ... " They say "Let's take USAirways Express to ..."
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Let me try this...

"Let's take ExpressJet to..."

Hmmm.... that works... ;)
 
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