Will the new generation of pilots aspire to captain an E190?

[ChasenSFO]

Re: Will the new generation of pilots aspire to captain an E

I've been thinking for a while that mainline carriers need to stop worrying about limiting the SEATS that a regional carrier can fly with under them and start limiting the DISTANCE of the routes those carriers can fly.

When ORD/DEN-MCI are mostly mainline jets at UA its ridiculous that a Skywest CRJ-700 is doing SFO-MCI.

 

[Fins Up]

Re: Will the new generation of pilots aspire to captain an E

Good advice all around....

ps... how was the trip with the Mrs down to Barbados... Hit me up with a pm!!! Hope it went well!

Heading down on Wednesday 3/3. I'll let ya know.

 

[Patrick]

Re: Will the new generation of pilots aspire to captain an E

If I was at Republic, I'd be demanding to fly the 'bus; for mainline pay and mainline work rules. Whether WE chose to face it or not, Republic has just become a career airline.

The problem we have is that we're still holding onto this idea of "Anything over 50 seats should be mainline" and, "Oh well the regionals are just a stepping stone."

These ideas are attached to our feet like cement shoes, and management just tossed us in the drink. The longer we cling to these ideas, the further we'll sink into Davy Jone's locker.

The problem is that we have the ability to remove these weights, but we continue to chose not to by holding onto old, outdated ideas that used to keep us safe. The sooner we "get up with the get down," the better.

Completely agree with you here. Like I said, what concerns me is what happens when Republic pilots start flying the 'bus for regional pay and work rules. That's a dangerous slope to go down.

Excellent analogy, by the way.

 

[tiredofshoveling]

Re: Will the new generation of pilots aspire to captain an E

Pilots need to strike, before there is nothing left to strike for. Plain and simple, there is an administration that is sympathetic to labor, now is the time to do it. its called solidarity. i dont understand how ALPA can be so weak as allow regional pay and working conditions. I would rather join some other labor union that doesn't divide the members pay and QoL by such a large margin. I dont begrudge any 30 year pilot his pay or working conditions but 20k to fly a regional jet? That is a disgrace and it is NOT professional. The regionals are NOT a stopover. I would be curious to find out how many regional pilots there are vs mainline. Maybe if the regional guys tossed some of their alpa reps out and got some new blood in there we could see a union with some spine. And a union is a democratic institution, majority rules. Regional pilots need to flex their union's muscles, and hold together, otherwise they get what they deserve and self respecting pilots like myself will have to leave this profession for one where we are at least compensated for the time and training that we have invested to become the professionals that we are.

TOS

 

[Boris Badenov]

Re: Will the new generation of pilots aspire to captain an E

From a totally outside perspective (I've never flown for a union company), both ALPA and pilots need to recognize that if everyone isn't playing from the same sheet of music, the whole value of unionism is lost. Pilots need to realize that there are extremely complex legal issues involved and change isn't going to happen overnight. ALPA needs to realize that if they continue to support the "throw the little guys under the bus" policies of the past, the little guys are going to get mad and take their dues elsewhere...thus defeating the whole point of a Union.

Personally, my prediction is that everything continues as it always has. Lots of pretty words are spoken, and nothing much changes (except the big earners become a smaller and smaller proportion of the total number of pilots). I'd love to be proven wrong.

 

[Bandit_Driver]

Re: Will the new generation of pilots aspire to captain an E

If I was at Republic, I'd be demanding to fly the 'bus; for mainline pay and mainline work rules. Whether WE chose to face it or not, Republic has just become a career airline.

The problem we have is that we're still holding onto this idea of "Anything over 50 seats should be mainline" and, "Oh well the regionals are just a stepping stone."

These ideas are attached to our feet like cement shoes, and management just tossed us in the drink. The longer we cling to these ideas, the further we'll sink into Davy Jone's locker.

The problem is that we have the ability to remove these weights, but we continue to chose not to by holding onto old, outdated ideas that used to keep us safe. The sooner we "get up with the get down," the better.

John, the problem is they won't be flying them even Frontier rates it will be for some rate far less why. Because some punk has SJS and been there a year and thinks he's entitled to fly the Airbus.

I feel sorry for the Frontier guys because they are most likely going to take it in the shorts from arbitration and most likely will find themselve near the middle to bottom of the RAH pilot list working for a mere fraction of what they were before. Time will tell but I don't I am not going to hold my breath. If I am wrong I'll be shocked and buy you a beer.