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Jafari RastaMan said:
Bill, I agree with you.

I don't normally advocate crossing a picket line, but in this case I think it would be worth it for Simon to be labelled as a scab in the fast food industry, if working that day instead of striking would get him half way to his goal of saving $100. Heck, he may even be able to pick up some overtime.

Of course, if he did become a scab and tries to order a Big Mac after he's a pharmacist, the employees may spit on it or who knows what else. But if I were in that situation, I would just use my bigger paycheck and go to Jason's Deli or somewhere else.

Note: I would not use this same logic in the airline industry.
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Would you really be considered a Scab by not participating in a fake strike for a fast food place. To me, this is more the equivalent of a 'sick-out' than a strike anyway.
 
The problem is that they'll go on "strike" and they'll be replaced because they don't have any protections.

Not quite sure how anyone realistically thinks they're going to support a family of four with a job making 49 cent bean and cheese burritos.

I know this is sounds very smug, as it is, but I think if I were one of those employees, I'd focus my efforts on launching a career or seeking higher education in a more lucrative field than standing outside of McDonalds in protest.
 
Derg said:
The problem is that they'll go on "strike" and they'll be replaced because they don't have any protections.

Not quite sure how anyone realistically thinks they're going to support a family of four with a job making 49 cent bean and cheese burritos.

I know this is sounds very smug, as it is, but I think if I were one of those employees, I'd focus my efforts on launching a career or seeking higher education in a more lucrative field than standing outside of McDonalds in protest.
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That's a very Republican thing to say Doug.
 
BobDDuck said:
I agree with everything you said except for this. I can think of plenty of guys at my former property who started volunteering after they got off probation and after 2 years were incredibly competent in big ticket positions such as grievance and safety. Despite all their faults, ALPA's training is really top notch (for the most part) and if you actually do the work in the position, you get good at it quickly.
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Yeah, I kind of wrote that quickly and it sounded like I came off as a person of some authority on the matter. I was tired and cranky, sorry.

Anyway, I've seen the opposite a couple years back and it was embarrassing for everyone. Some guys get into the union because it feeds their giant ego, and they do no work, they simply play politics and do everything they can to tear up the pilot group if it means it helps them personally. I should mention this particular affliction of personality effects the new and some of the old, but given enough time, those morons can be contained. When those morons rise to leadership positions?- God what a embarrassment!

Unions can be great, ALPA can be great, but it takes work and selfless dedication.
 
Derg said:
I know this is sounds very smug, as it is, but I think if I were one of those employees, I'd focus my efforts on launching a career or seeking higher education in a more lucrative field than standing outside of McDonalds in protest.
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I don't believe that everybody who works there plans to spend the rest of their life flipping burgers and throwing frozen french fries in the deep fat fryer for $8/hr. Some may be trying to work there way up to shift leader and then eventually manager. If you get some managerial experience under your belt, that will only open up more doors in the future. I can understand why the entry level guys would want to increase their wage at the expense of the upper management and company. It would make the wait less painful, until they are able to be promoted.
 
Jafari RastaMan said:
I don't believe that everybody who works there plans to spend the rest of their life flipping burgers and throwing frozen french fries in the deep fat fryer for $8/hr. Some may be trying to work there way up to shift leader and then eventually manager. If you get some managerial experience under your belt, that will only open up more doors in the future. I can understand why the entry level guys would want to increase their wage at the expense of the upper management and company. It would make the wait less painful, until they are able to be promoted.
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None of this will matter when we are famous musicians
 
jynxyjoe said:
Some guys get into the union because it feeds their giant ego, and they do no work, they simply play politics and do everything they can to tear up the pilot group if it means it helps them personally. I should mention this particular affliction of personality effects the new and some of the old, but given enough time, those morons can be contained. When those morons rise to leadership positions?- God what a embarrassment!
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I really don't see how any union position could feed one's ego, but that may just be me.

Oh look at me! I'm a CIRP volunteer! I'm so special! I get to help people when their entire world has exploded on them!

Haha! I process grievances! I'm mad good at pushing paper yo!

I'm so awesome! I lobby on Capitol Hill to help out my fellow pilots everywhere!

Have you seen how dope my FASTReads are? I know the difference between their and there and when to use a comma so I'm just amazing!

Honestly though, allowing for that type of behavior goes directly back to the type of MEC leadership you have. After the last elections at PSA, the leadership cleaned a bit of house in the committee structure and bumped out a lot of guys who were there just so they could write off their cell phones (and their entire family plan) every month. A lot of the guys in those positions were good at what they did, but they'd been doing them WAY too long and had started to take advantage of the system.

Volunteering is mostly thankless work (and in the worst cases, you take a ton of grief from the pilot group for any bad decisions you make). People who do it correctly are doing it strictly to attempt to help out their fellow pilots.
 
Derg said:
The problem is that they'll go on "strike" and they'll be replaced because they don't have any protections.

Not quite sure how anyone realistically thinks they're going to support a family of four with a job making 49 cent bean and cheese burritos.

I know this is sounds very smug, as it is, but I think if I were one of those employees, I'd focus my efforts on launching a career or seeking higher education in a more lucrative field than standing outside of McDonalds in protest.
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I used to say (non-ironically and at least somewhat seriously) that if I am ever furloughed, I might take a stint working at In-n-Out or Trader Joe's.

Why?

Well, they take care of their people.
 
Exactly.

But people keep applying for and showing up to low paid jobs.

Just like in the regional airline business. :)
 
BobDDuck said:
I really don't see how any union position could feed one's ego, but that may just be me.
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Oh no problem- It's more experiences I've had, mostly post merger.
I could list a few but it wouldn't be hard to figure out who I'm talking about for anyone reading a web board. I can't tell if it's ego feeding or just no self esteem. Bizarre crap and it's a number of guys past and present. Anyway, it's not close to germane for the OP's thread.
 
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