Why such a lengthy ATIS?

ATIS: "Santa Fe does not have radar. On initial contact please state your position, request and information romeo"

Eagle: Tower Eagle flight 2*** with you on the visual 20.

:rolleyes:
 
MikeD said:
All standard info, and good to know for planning purposes on arrival.
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Agreed! I wasn't hating on the information presented. Just noting it's funny that in contrast to some of these other super long ATISs mentioned in this thread, filled with unnecessary information and read slowly, the supplemental stuff Miramar adds on at the end is read super fast. While this makes the ATIS shorter, one could end up spending more time having to listen to the ATIS multiple times to catch all the details, instead of just listening to a slightly longer ATIS once.

I hope I explained myself better this time. :)
 
my favorite (can't remember where) "...wind 220 @ 10, unlighted crane 5 feet agl, 900 feet south of runway 24..." Seriously If I'm not higher than 5 feet a quarter mile south of the runway, I have bigger problems to deal with.
 
moxiepilot said:
my favorite (can't remember where) "...wind 220 @ 10, unlighted crane 5 feet agl, 900 feet south of runway 24..." Seriously If I'm not higher than 5 feet a quarter mile south of the runway, I have bigger problems to deal with.
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It's better than reading pages and pages of NOTAMs filled with unlighted obstacle towers. Seriously, I flew to an airport last week (Nacogdoches, TX), there were 12 unlighted obstacle towers for the airport. That's right, 12; for one freaking airport. The highest one was 600' AGL, and none were closer than 8NM. Talk about superfluous information....
 
Apophis said:
It's better than reading pages and pages of NOTAMs filled with unlighted obstacle towers. Seriously, I flew to an airport last week (Nacogdoches, TX), there were 12 unlighted obstacle towers for the airport. That's right, 12; for one freaking airport. The highest one was 600' AGL, and none were closer than 8NM. Talk about superfluous information....
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Hardly superfluous info there son.

As I said before, the ATIS isn't only for fixed-wing, it's for everybody. You'd better believe I'd like to know about unlit cranes up to 600' AGL in the terminal area while in my UH-1 at night.

Think outside the box.
 
Apophis said:
Neither, because maximum "demonstrated" crosswind component is not an operating limitation. :)


To answer the question though, I'd say ATC is controlling, not the hourly automated report.
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Some airplanes have limits. Most all 121 and 135 guys have limits. Ironically, the 1900 didn't though. The issue with tower winds, is that tower operators are often no longer FAA certified weather observers, and the wind info may not be from a certified weather observation station. Your op specs likely say " FAA approved weather reporting saytem, or FAA approved automated weather observation system"

You have no way of knowing if the tower winds are a legal number. Its small beans, but be careful if either is reported above a limit for your airplane. Should you decide run off the side of the runway, its up to them to decided if it was your fault or not. That being said, if the winds at Ewr are 290@37 reported, then tower given at 290@25, I'm still gonna land on 29, not 22l
 
TUCKnTRUCK said:
The issue with tower winds, is that tower operators are often no longer FAA certified weather observers, and the wind info may not be from a certified weather observation station. Your op specs likely say " FAA approved weather reporting saytem, or FAA approved automated weather observation system"
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If the ATIS says the winds are over the limit, I will go to a different runway. If the ATIS says the winds are within the limit, and it appears that they may not be accurate due to frontal passage or other reasons, I would check the tower winds.

I don't really think winds need to made by an official weather observer. It is a number, just like the temperature, and it is always changing.

I might need to get an accurate temperature to figure out my takeoff weight limit. In that case, if the atis is 45 minutes old, I would probably ask the tower for their current temperature. That way I know what it is now, not 45 minutes ago. Just like the winds.
 
MikeD said:
Hardly superfluous info there son.

As I said before, the ATIS isn't only for fixed-wing, it's for everybody. You'd better believe I'd like to know about unlit cranes up to 600' AGL in the terminal area while in my UH-1 at night.

Think outside the box.
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Well that's what you get for fly plopters. :cool:

Just kidding. Makes sense for someone in your position, but I usually only pay attention if they are greater than 500' AGL and within 10NM of the airport. I can see how a chopper pilot would need that informaiton. In retrospect, I should have said superfluous information for most fixed-wing pilots.
 
One good trick that if you had an instructor that was actually trying to teach you something as opposed to just shuffle you through any cumulate his hours to get on with an airliner then he would've taught you that you should always get the ATIS before you start the engine. Unless of course you like paying every six minutes just to hear the ATIS
 
Wow, that has to be some sort of record. 5 years? I don't think half of the people that posted in that thread are still active on this forum.
 
My favorite is,"Advise controller on initial contact...yooooooooooooo...have information Victor. (Soulja Boy style)
 
My favorite are the awkward pauses that ATIS guy sometimes makes during his broadcast.

Advise on initial............................................................contact...........you have information zulu. :)
 
A150K said:
Very, except they have radar now, so it's no longer a frequency clogging issue :D. Actually, Avantair and Net Jets were always worse about making position reports than you guys back in the pre-radar days.
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SAF is served by the LAX base out at MQ, and there is very little mobility out there...so pretty much, unsurprising.
 
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