Why, oh WHYYY??!!

i query potential flight reviews. i look at their logbook, ask them specific procedural/technique-oriented questionsand have been in this business long enough to get a feel for whether this is going to be a minimal bfr or practically a re-train, to which tgrayson alludes to. for the latter, i let them know that we won't be getting airborne until the ground portion is satisfied and that it may take quite a bit of time. then, i basically say it's up to you..if i'm not 'your guy', mosey on along and find a 'magic pen'. ;) i just did a flight review that covered two days: 3 hours of ground and 2 hours of flight. he'll be returning for an ipc soon. honestly, the 'longest' flight review i've signed-off on where they didn't 'give up' as it was obvious they needed extensive re-training involved seven hours of flight instruction. i don't recall the number of ground hours, but were certainly equivalent.
 
oh, and the 'worst' i've heard was from a fella (commercial/instrument) who recently asked if i'd work with him on his cfi. a former student of mine, cfi and now regional airline captain gave him a 40-hour flight review. wow..after he told me that..i..umm..i haven't been very 'available' when this guy shows up at the airport.. ;)
 
ryanmickG said:
I just don't want future CFIs getting the idea that they should not do BFRs because of liability reasons.
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I'm not concerned about liability, although perhaps I should be.

I consider what I do as art, and the student is the medium through which I work. If I can't turn out what *I* consider a masterpiece, then I'm not interested.

I've told students the above, and some have found it startling, but in the end, they realized that having me motivated for my own reasons was very useful in helping them get what they wanted, too.
 
tgrayson said:
I'm not concerned about liability, although perhaps I should be.

I consider what I do as art, and the student is the medium through which I work. If I can't turn out what *I* consider a masterpiece, then I'm not interested.

I've told students the above, and some have found it startling, but in the end, they realized that having me motivated for my own reasons was very useful in helping them get what they wanted, too.
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lol...and with the relative rarity of 'really good clay' around..i'll bet you're not surviving on this as a full time gig, eh, taylor? ;)
 
exleardriver said:
lol...and with the relative rarity of 'really good clay' around..i'll bet you're not surviving on this as a full time gig, eh, taylor?
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Having to earn a paycheck could be serious impediment to artistic expression. ;) This brings to mind the stereotype of the working artist cursing the the philistine tastes of his employer. BTDT. :)
 
tgrayson said:
Having to earn a paycheck could be serious impediment to artistic expression. ;) This brings to mind the stereotype of the working artist cursing the the philistine tastes of his employer. BTDT. :)
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taudt....(there again, unfortunately doing that).. :banghead:

:D

i do seriously wonder how long i'll hold up again doing this full-time. i earn about a fifth of what i earned as a lear captain flying int'l air ambo,but the trade-off is i'm home every night, not in hotels 1-2 weeks at a time. i've considered the fsdo route, as i have close contacts at my local, but not much of your '8-4:30 guy'. there's the hoops to jump through to be a dpe, also suggested by our head safety inspector, as we'll have some retiring in a few years. part 91? not many high net worth individuals flying learjets in little rock (want to stay put for now), especially the fuel-guzzling 20-series..not really any 30-series around either (or a 55) and am in no hurry to invest in another type. i did author a 140,000 word sci-fi novel, but dragging my feet looking for an agent, so no 'retirement plans'on the blockbuster anytime soon. howsabout writing an expose on the part-135 world..lol..interesting reading for sure..not use my name for sure either! ;)

basically, i'm stuck..whoring on the ground, in the air.. :nana2:
 
exleardriver said:
i do seriously wonder how long i'll hold up again doing this full-time.
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I remember telling Pam that I didn't envision your lasting long as a full-time flight instructor. I've known a number of people who really loved the job, but in the end, they had to move on, because you just can't earn much of living doing it, particularly in locales that actually have weather. The only people I know whose only job is flight instructing are married women.

You're still young enough for the Part 121 route; many are hiring street captains. You could commute to Memphis, at the very least. No interest?

author a 140,000 word sci-fi novel, but dragging my feet looking for an agent,
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Cool! I've been a avid sci-fan most of my life. What are you waiting on?
 
tgrayson said:
I remember telling Pam that I didn't envision your lasting long as a full-time flight instructor. I've known a number of people who really loved the job, but in the end, they had to move on, because you just can't earn much of living doing it, particularly in locales that actually have weather. The only people I know whose only job is flight instructing are married women.

You're still young enough for the Part 121 route; many are hiring street captains. You could commute to Memphis, at the very least. No interest?

Cool! I've been a avid sci-fan most of my life. What are you waiting on?
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actually..i used to know a married woman who did it full-time as a matter of fact. her husband graduated high school with me back in '84 and owns a stealership...err, dealership. ;)

i do have a very close friend that i instructed with back in the mid-90's here in central arkansas. he's been an asst. chief pilot for a regional northwest/delta connection that i suspect you're familiar with out of..memphis. we get together for dinner when he's in town (lives in little rock..commutes to memphis) about ground instructor, or getting typed in the regional jet as a sim instructor (more interesting..i would have loved to have been a lear sim instructor, but only four locales in the country). but you're right - to earn anywhere in the 20-30k range even would require 6-7 day work weeks. i already have more students available than i can possibly handle. i hide..lol. and like you, i set a fairly high bar, yet have to balance that currently with making a living. it was much easier as a training cap/check airman when the guys you trained pretty much had to follow the program, call-outs, checklists, etc. included to the letter. they were motivated..they didn't follow through..no sic 8410 letter. when you work for the student..sometimes you wanna beat your head against a wall.. :banghead: wait..i just did that.. ;)

anyway, i haven't wished to move to memphis, which his idea would require although i do have most of my extended-family there (dad's hometown) and i attended southwestern (rhodes now?) for a while before transferring. and i just recently filed for divorce..so,more good news. :(

the book? i'd love to send you a copy of the preface. if the topic of the theoretical existence of parallel universes intrigues you at all..plus a very nice story..let me know. pm me your e-mail. :)
best,
ryan
 
Nismaxdan said:
Inversion
Coriolis
Elevator
False Hoizon
Landing Illusions
Auto Kinesis
Graveyard Spin/Spiral
Somatographic
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Yes, those are the words that go with ICEFLAGS, but the reason there is even a mnemonic is because all of these are spatial disorientation regimes.

:)

We can tell them all day what ICEFLAGS means, but without telling them what it is FOR it'd be pointless. :)
 
Somatographic:

Merriam-Webster online: "The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search bar above".

Dictionary.com: "No results found for Somatographic"

Webster's New World Dictionary: no reference

So I'm still going to need a little help here. How does one get "almost every condition of ICEFLAGS after being in the clouds for about 5 min."?
 
exleardriver said:
regional northwest/delta connection that i suspect you're familiar with out of..memphis. we get together for dinner when he's in town (lives in little rock..commutes to memphis) about ground instructor, or getting typed in the regional jet as a sim instructor (more interesting
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I don't think you would be happy working long-term for that regional. The quality of training provided is considered to be poor, as is the overall morale of the training organization. The ground instructors are not paid well. It would be a good stepping stone, though.

Fedex Corporate has Lears, I think. We also have Palm Air and Richards Aviation that operate Lears.

the book? i'd love to send you a copy of the preface. if the topic of the theoretical existence of parallel universes intrigues you at all..plus a very nice story..let me know. pm me your e-mail.
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Love to read it. I'll PM.
 
Bus Driver said:
Somatographic:

Merriam-Webster online: "The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search bar above".

Dictionary.com: "No results found for Somatographic"

Webster's New World Dictionary: no reference

So I'm still going to need a little help here. How does one get "almost every condition of ICEFLAGS after being in the clouds for about 5 min."?
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Do you lack the Pilot's Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge and the Instrument Flying Handbook? I would highly suggest getting these two books for your aviation library.

http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/...andbook/media/FAA-H-8083-15A-Chapters 1-4.pdf

Instrument Flying Handbook said:
Somatogravic Illusion
A rapid acceleration, such as experienced during takeoff,
stimulates the otolith organs in the same way as tilting the
head backwards. This action creates the somatogravic illusion
of being in a nose-up attitude, especially in situations without
good visual references. The disoriented pilot may push the
aircraft into a nose-low or dive attitude. A rapid deceleration
by quick reduction of the throttle(s) can have the opposite
effect, with the disoriented pilot pulling the aircraft into a
nose-up or stall attitude.
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surreal1221 said:
Yes, and most CFI's were pretty damn good student pilots too. You took things seriously, you have a true motivation to be successful at this adventure, you listened, you comprehended.
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Amen. The more I do this, the more I realize what a dream student I must've been ;)! Not that I'm Chuck Yeager, but the simple fact that I listened, studied, came prepared to my lessons, wasn't overconfident, and had some basic flying sense (e.g. didn't try to kill us every lesson) must've been great!

It seems like half of my students require A LOT of work on my part. The particularly frustrating ones are those that don't study and have to be told about how a traffic pattern works even on their 7th lesson. I've had only one so far that was so clueless I just gave them to somebody else.

Of the other half, about 1/4 are naturals and/or study enough to make it enjoyable for both of us. Of my really good students, two were engineers (both pretty good sticks and studied), another is a 16 year old kid who's got excellent intuition for flying an airplane (but could study a little more), and the other was a very well off retired contractor who was damn good, but absolutely hated studying.

The absolute worst ones I've seen are the ones who are going through training for somebody else (parents paying for it, etc.). Run away from any situation like that, trust me!!

I'd still rather be in an airplane with pretty much any student pilot over most of the private pilots I see for safety checkouts though. There are some scary people flying out there...
 
surreal1221 said:
Do you lack the Pilot's Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge and the Instrument Flying Handbook? I would highly suggest getting these two books for your aviation library.

http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/...andbook/media/FAA-H-8083-15A-Chapters 1-4.pdf

Quote:
Originally Posted by Instrument Flying Handbook
Somatogravic Illusion
A rapid acceleration, such as experienced during takeoff,
stimulates the otolith organs in the same way as tilting the
head backwards. This action creates the somatogravic illusion
of being in a nose-up attitude, especially in situations without
good visual references. The disoriented pilot may push the
aircraft into a nose-low or dive attitude. A rapid deceleration
by quick reduction of the throttle(s) can have the opposite
effect, with the disoriented pilot pulling the aircraft into a
nose-up or stall attitude.
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Thanks.

Bus Driver said:
Somatographic:

Merriam-Webster online: "The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search bar above".

Dictionary.com: "No results found for Somatographic"

Webster's New World Dictionary: no reference

So I'm still going to need a little help here. How does one get "almost every condition of ICEFLAGS after being in the clouds for about 5 min."?
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Sorry I spelled it wrong.
 
surreal1221 said:
Do you lack the Pilot's Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge and the Instrument Flying Handbook? I would highly suggest getting these two books for your aviation library.

http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aviation/instrument_flying_handbook/media/FAA-H-8083-15A-Chapters%201-4.pdf
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Josh, thanks for taking the time to respond to my post. I think having the proper spelling in the beginning would have been helpful. I was surprised to find an explanation of "Somatogravic illusion" in my copy of AC 61-23B (revised 1980) I guess some things never change. I'm sure I have a copy of the Instrument Flying Handbook, somewhere in my aviation library, but thank you for the suggestion.
Bus
 
SmitteyB said:
Engineers try to think too hard about it. Instead of just doing it and learning from that, they seem to disect the simplest things.
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That is called "Nuking it out". A reference to all the nuclear engineering types on the submarine who have unhuman book smarts but have zero common sense.
 
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