Why no calls to interview? Is it my speeding tickets?

dustoff17 said:
When I was reviewing applications for Army Flight Training slots and making recommendations to Commanders, I paid a lot of attention to a driving records. The general consensus is that your driving record is a reflection of your attitude..
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I'm always skeptical of those that are quick to claim a consensus. As far as the Navy goes, they review driving records, looking for a pattern of unsafe or irresponsible behavior. They also realize that a lot of growing up happens between 16 and 22 years of age.

Most cases of speeding do not represent a significant threat to motorist safety - most are not a reflection of a poor attitude towards safety. There's a difference between speeding and blowing through stop signs, or driving while impaired.

Hell, some of the best sticks and crewman that I've flown with did not exercise great judgement in their personal lives but were pros in every aspect of their military careers.

If everything else is equal (it rarely is), I might have a problem with four tickets in three years. A nice checkride could get me over that concern real quick.
 
Bumblebee said:
I dated a lady (Lisa) who was assaulted in that gauntlet...
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That is unfortunate. I have a pretty low threshold when it comes to unsavory behavior toward women, let alone sexual assault. That said, Tailhook turned into a witch hunt.

It condemned the careers of innocent men and also had the unintended consequence of minimizing the seriousness of the handful of egregious cases of sexual assault that demanded attention.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Those assumptions are a bunch of nonsense. One has nothing to do with the other. I pretty much ignore traffic laws, because I consider them to be nothing more than revenue generation schemes 90% of the time, and nothing remotely related to safety. But my employer pays me to operate the aircraft a certain way, so that's exactly what I do. When the government starts paying me to operate my car a certain way, maybe I'll care what speed they want me to drive. Until then, I'll do what I consider to be safe, and let my attorney sort out any problems.
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This is a bunch of smoke but it is an interesting dichotomy you're in there, huh? There would be NO revenue to gain were it not for those breaking these laws. It is, however, a true reflection of attitude as it reveals itself with regards to compliance with rules, limits and authority.

AND just because you personally don't care doesn't make the point less valid to the OP.

Pilot Fighter said:
I'm always skeptical of those that are quick to claim a consensus. As far as the Navy goes, they review driving records, looking for a pattern of unsafe or irresponsible behavior. They also realize that a lot of growing up happens between 16 and 22 years of age. .......
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Be skeptical as you see fit but you're assuming it is a "quick concensus"; I assure you it was (and is) not. Also, there's a big difference in an action of youthful exuberance and a repeated actions of anti-authority/disregard for rules (as is demonstrated in this case).
 
dustoff17 said:
Be skeptical as you see fit but you're assuming it is a "quick concensus"; I assure you it was (and is) not. Also, there's a big difference in an action of youthful exuberance and a repeated actions of anti-authority/disregard for rules (as is demonstrated in this case).
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Listen, my opinions are based on my first-hand experiences, which included that of a squadron safety officer. If you think a few speeding tickets equates to anti-authoritarian behavior that would make somebody unfit for military service or airline employment I think you are batsheet crazy.

From what you wrote, it sounds like you were a dream-killer, not willing to dismiss the actions of youthful exuberance.
 
Erik10 said:
Get a truck, I doubt you'll speed as much.
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One of the first things I did when I bought my last truck was find out where the limiter is, turned out it is 100 mph. The truck before that did 115 mph. Just like to know where those limits are since I couldn't find them in the owners manual. Safe driver, safe road, safe time.
 
Before anyone complains about my last post please think about the mass of metal that you're flying and the speeds at which you do it. Safe pilot, safe runway, safe weather.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
Listen, my opinions are based on my first-hand experiences, which included that of a squadron safety officer. If you think a few speeding tickets equates to anti-authoritarian behavior that would make somebody unfit for military service or airline employment I think you are batsheet crazy.

From what you wrote, it sounds like you were a dream-killer, not willing to dismiss the actions of youthful exuberance.
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Since when is "9 tickets in the past 10 years, 4 of those in the last 3 years", considered a "few" speeding tickets? And there are more of them in the last three years, which points to the fact that becoming older has not translated into becoming wiser. How many decades does it take for the excuse of "youthful exuberance" to pall? It's been one as it is.
 
A Life Aloft said:
Since when is "9 tickets in the past 10 years, 4 of those in the last 3 years", considered a "few" speeding tickets? And there are more of them in the last three years, which points to the fact that becoming older has not translated into becoming wiser. How many decades does it take for the excuse of "youthful exuberance" to pall? It's been one as it is.
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In a previous post, I voiced my concern over the driving record of the OP. I think this thread has drifted from the case of the OP to speeding and moving violations, in general, and their predictive value.

I will concede that it is disturbing that someone is pursuing a career in aviation and is unaware of hiring practices, or unwilling to modify his behavior.
 
knot4u said:
One of the first things I did when I bought my last truck was find out where the limiter is, turned out it is 100 mph. The truck before that did 115 mph. Just like to know where those limits are since I couldn't find them in the owners manual. Safe driver, safe road, safe time.
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Empty wallet.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Those assumptions are a bunch of nonsense. One has nothing to do with the other. I pretty much ignore traffic laws, because I consider them to be nothing more than revenue generation schemes 90% of the time, and nothing remotely related to safety. But my employer pays me to operate the aircraft a certain way, so that's exactly what I do. When the government starts paying me to operate my car a certain way, maybe I'll care what speed they want me to drive. Until then, I'll do what I consider to be safe, and let my attorney sort out any problems.
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Hell, if you go speeding down my street, I'm gettin' in dat ass, man!
 
A Life Aloft said:
How many decades does it take for the excuse of "youthful exuberance" to pall?
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That's a whole other thread that would be interesting to start... Seems to be taking a really long time for me but I'm doing alright. Maybe people need to hang onto "youthful exuberance" a little longer... too many stuffy, uptight people out there. :D

Anyway, until 3 months ago, I had only gotten two tickets in my life- one in 2002, and one in 2005. Then I got one recently from a camera in the middle of the night and another while going with the flow of traffic on an interstate that just happened to go through a speed trap- everyone in my lane within 3 cars of me got pulled over and ticketed. Considering I normally don't speed at all, I consider that bad luck... and the camera ticket is just pure revenue generating BS that has been ruled illegal in several jurisdictions nearby.

I have personally flown with the OP... I'd recommend/hire him anytime. This is SkyWest's loss, in my opinion.

BTW- some of the absolute worst drivers I've ridden with were pilots. Some of my coworkers scare the crap out of me on a regular basis in the car.
 

Which reminds me of a funny story. My father, who is in his seventies, is worried that he can't pass a first class medical. So, he is considering downgrading to sport pilot. I mentioned to him that he might consider hanging it up or start flying with someone. He was a little pissed and reminded me that I haven't flown with him in a couple of years. I reminded him that I was a passenger in his car that morning.
 
Pilot Fighter said:
Listen, my opinions are based on my first-hand experiences, which included that of a squadron safety officer. If you think a few speeding tickets equates to anti-authoritarian behavior that would make somebody unfit for military service or airline employment I think you are batsheet crazy.

From what you wrote, it sounds like you were a dream-killer, not willing to dismiss the actions of youthful exuberance.
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As are mine (personal experience as a Battalion Safety and Training Officer and Standardization Instructor Pilot). As I stated earlier "Also, there's a big difference in an action of youthful exuberance and a repeated actions of anti-authority/disregard for rules (as is demonstrated in this case)." It's not that I'm unwilling to dismiss these, it's more that he's not learning from tickets. Each must be responsible for their own actions; it appears to me that the OP isn't learning from his mistakes. IMHO.....
BTW, if a dream were to be killed because of this, it was killed by the person stepping on the pedal.....

Pilot Fighter said:
In a previous post, I voiced my concern over the driving record of the OP. I think this thread has drifted from the case of the OP to speeding and moving violations, in general, and their predictive value.

I will concede that it is disturbing that someone is pursuing a career in aviation and is unaware of hiring practices, or unwilling to modify his behavior.
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THIS IS MY POINT! It's not the ticket(s), it's the repetative nature of the actions that concern me.
 
I was going to start a new thread but I figured I would just add on to this one. Recently I was arrested on a charge of reckless driving as a result of an accident. It is very unfortunate as it happened the same week that I hit ATP mins. Now I have gone out and hired a lawyer in hopes of getting it reduced to careless driving or thrown out completely. I figure that it's pretty much a deal breaker with the airlines for now, but I've heard the regionals are getting desperate for warm bodies in the right seat and will even hire those with one or two DUIs (which I do not have).

The case is still pending and I am wondering what would happen if I went ahead and applied. Would I be able to pass a background check for the airlines with a pending case? And let's say worst case scenario I get convicted of reckless driving. Would I be completely screwed in the aviation community? I have no prior arrests and only have two speeding tickets on record, one in 2004 and the other in 2007 (went to driving school for this one).
 
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