Autothrust Blue
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I use it in San Diego when they put me on Taxiway D for flow...since that's what that area is.
Why is LAX always on flow?
- Thread starter ChasenSFO
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SFO ramp controllers suck though. Ain't that right @chasen_sfo
Hootie
Old Skool
etflies
Keeping calm, Chiving on.
I've used it a number of times and haven't heard about any jimmies being rustled as a result.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Yes. It was a good meme, man!
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
I'm going to have to start watermarking them then.
Almost used it again!
z987k
Well-Known Member
With the efficiency of some modern turbo props, well you're wasting fuel on that crj700 run from DFW to LAX or whatever to. Something like half the fuel and 5 minutes slower.Only if I get a hat with a widget on it in exchange.
And no, it doesn't. But also, if you fly a jet from LAX to any of (SAN, SBA, SMX, SBP) you are wasting fuel.
TFaudree_ERAU
Mashin' dem buttons
Their market research analysts are complete dumb asses then. A 3rd grader understands that square pegs don't fit in round holes.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
A 350 knot aircraft will only end up 5 minutes behind a 500 knot aircraft on a 1,000 mile leg?
Hootie
Old Skool
That's what I'm wondering? Uh math?
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
When I was studying for the ACT in high school, I always thought to myself that crap like this would never be applicable to the real world.
And then the internet proved me wrong.
Well played, internet.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
It is; and the free ride is over.Sorry, I thought this was America!
I thought this was America...
Flagship_dxer
Penske Material
Dont confuse a GDP with metering. Flow from ATC can often mean metering instead of a groundstop or ground delay program.
Metering is when ATC has too many arrivals and needs to space them out but the arrival flow isnt constrained enough to require a ground delay program. Instead of metering, ATC can often use airborne holding or short term ground stops.
At an airport like ORD, EWR, LAX, ATL, SFO there will always be a wheels up time regardless of whether there is a program or not because the airports are so tightly scheduled that every plane has a specific time it needs to be airborne and on the ground to keep things running without a flow control program.
Airlines do a VERY poor job of training pilots in ATC issues. Pilots often ask dispatchers to reduce their EDCT time or they ask about FCA's or why they are filed at 8,000 feet on one of the NYC SERMN routes. Frankly, its embarrassing the airlines dont teach this stuff to pilots. Some pilots will call up on ten and clear days and seem bewildered and shocked that JFK/EWR/LGA has a groundstop or ground delay. Anyone that has any experience with those airports knows that the volume is so high and runways so poorly configured that it doesnt take much to ruin the flow patterns for those airports.
Metering is when ATC has too many arrivals and needs to space them out but the arrival flow isnt constrained enough to require a ground delay program. Instead of metering, ATC can often use airborne holding or short term ground stops.
At an airport like ORD, EWR, LAX, ATL, SFO there will always be a wheels up time regardless of whether there is a program or not because the airports are so tightly scheduled that every plane has a specific time it needs to be airborne and on the ground to keep things running without a flow control program.
Airlines do a VERY poor job of training pilots in ATC issues. Pilots often ask dispatchers to reduce their EDCT time or they ask about FCA's or why they are filed at 8,000 feet on one of the NYC SERMN routes. Frankly, its embarrassing the airlines dont teach this stuff to pilots. Some pilots will call up on ten and clear days and seem bewildered and shocked that JFK/EWR/LGA has a groundstop or ground delay. Anyone that has any experience with those airports knows that the volume is so high and runways so poorly configured that it doesnt take much to ruin the flow patterns for those airports.
