Why is having a family such a big deal?

jynxyjoe said:
I know there is an age 18 rule for a marine marrying a girl but I hadn't heard any other restrictions. I can't find a link talking about that either. Do you exactly where that law (or whatever) is written?
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I am talking about a few years back, no law just a policy from the Commadant IIRC. Then again I may be recalling incorrectly. Things change, I read this last week they are getting sensitivity training in Afghanistan on the change of don't ask don't tell.
 
ppragman said:
Those don't have any bearing on not hiring someone who has a family. Its apples and oranges. And this isn't the military, that was part of my point. This is the civilian world, where by and large its ethically wrong, and in some cases illegal to discriminate against someone for family status. Telling someone that they're not fit to go to into a warzone is wayyyyyy different than telling someone they can't have a flying job because they have a family.
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Discrimination is discrimination, so no it isn't apples and oranges in that respect. My question is why its so accepting in one arena, but everyone is up in arms in another.
 
MikeD said:
Discrimination is discrimination, so no it isn't apples and oranges in that respect. My question is why its so accepting in one arena, but everyone is up in arms in another.
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The military is held to different standards than is the civilian world. Trying to say discrimination is ok outside of the military because its OK in the military is an apples and oranges comparison. Is discrimination against someone who's too short/too or too blind for duty wrong? Maybe, I'd be in favor of finding them a non-combatant role, and letting them do their patriotic duty if that was the case, regardless, these are two different arguments. The military doesn't play by the same rules as the civilian world for a reason. Saying, "hey, you're not fit for combat," or, "you're not fit to be an active military member" is a totally different thing than saying, "hey, we're not going to hire you because you have a family."
 
ppragman said:
The military is held to different standards than is the civilian world. Trying to say discrimination is ok outside of the military because its OK in the military is an apples and oranges comparison. Is discrimination against someone who's too short/too or too blind for duty wrong? Maybe, I'd be in favor of finding them a non-combatant role, and letting them do their patriotic duty if that was the case, regardless, these are two different arguments. The military doesn't play by the same rules as the civilian world for a reason. Saying, "hey, you're not fit for combat," or, "you're not fit to be an active military member" is a totally different thing than saying, "hey, we're not going to hire you because you have a family."
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Not saying its ok in the military so it should be ok in civilian, Im saying it shouldn't necessarily be ok in either, but people seem to have no problem that it does go on in the military and they just accept it.

Although, going along the lines of your argument, the civilian employer could say that "we prefer not to hire someone with a family due to the nature of the job" or how about "we prefer to hire someone with a family, due to the nature of the job". Now I dont know if they'd outright admit this line of thinking one way or the other, but I guarantee is goes on. And too, if you don't get selected for a job, proving why you didn't get selected isn't very easy.
 
ppragman said:
You didn't answer my question. So its ok to use family, or marital status as a mark against a potential applicant?
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I personally believe, as I've stated, that employers should be free to use any and every bit of information about an applicant to decide on whom they wish to hire, based on their particular needs and desires.
 
Hacker15e said:
I personally believe, as I've stated, that employers should be free to use any and every bit of information about an applicant to decide on whom they wish to hire, based on their particular needs and desires.
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Race, gender, national origin, age, religion?
 
Pilotforhire587 said:
Maybe you shouldstop trying to apply for all those rotorcrap jobs when you fly fixed wings... THERES YOUR PROBLEM... I kid i kid... You had any luck lately Hunter?
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Negative. Every interview I go on, when I get asked the family question, the interview abruptly stops. Maybe one or two more questions, then "O.k., thanks we'll be in touch."
 
granlistillo said:
Race, gender, national origin, age, religion?
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I was thinking the same thing. Just think of how many good employees would be pased by because they are Jewish, or their parents came from NK, or they were over 40, or they were female, or they have a family.
 
mshunter said:
Negative. Every interview I go on, when I get asked the family question, the interview abruptly stops. Maybe one or two more questions, then "O.k., thanks we'll be in touch."
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Next time you're asked, talk about your parents & siblings like someone mentioned. :) Honestly, I'm going to tuck that in my "interview arsenal" kit.. I think it's a great response!
 
I'd love to get more involved in this thread right now. But I have been asked to help with some maint. on an airplane today. When I get some time I'll be back to add to the debate.
 
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