Why I Couldn't Pilot An Airplane After A TSA Pat-Down

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http://jalopnik.com/5691772/why-i-couldnt-pilot-an-airplane-after-a-tsa-pat+down

Following the refusal of ExpressJet pilot Michael Roberts to submit to imaging or a pat-down, pilots' unions have asked the Transportation Security Administration for changes, with little luck. One pilot says agressive pat-downs kept him grounded. — Ed.

I am a USAirways pilot with hip replacements. I am unable to successfully pass through a metal detector. For approximately five years I have been questioned, wanded and patted down every morning each day I report for work. I've asked for help with a solution, I've been through all the company and union channels to no avail.

Approximately one year ago, I encountered something new called a groin check. This is where they run the back of their hands down your fly from top to bottom one inch to either side. I said I would allow this if they don't touch my stuff. The screener accused me of being a "homophobe" and said he can't guarantee he wont touch me in this area. I said then I can't go through the check. I called the airline for direction and they agreed to assist me in finding a solution if I would JUST take the flight out. I allowed him his groin check and was so humiliated and enraged that I was pretty much useless in the cockpit, I was self-absorbed. Fortunately my captain could see this and just picked up my duties also and never said a word. I called the union about this and they informed me that I NEVER have to let someone touch me there, that that is wrong. They also reminded me of my obligation to remain fit for duty in our flight ops manual as well as federal aviation regulations, and should I find myself in a similar situation again, don't fly. Well, I noticed that this groin check kept popping up more and more often until I forced myself to accept it and block it out.

Oct. 30 rolled around and I was to fly Phoenix to Charlotte, flight 1550 at 1745 EST. We had received a company message stating if we refuse the body scanner we WILL receive the new pat down and we must comply. I knew I was "in for it." I elected to follow all company procedure and directives and if it was as bad as they stated, I WILL not fly this time. Well, I beeped [in the metal detector], was offered the scanner and opted out instead to endure the pat down. I requested a private screening with the Captain as my witness (you always have the right to a witness.) They started in my shirt collar, went inside my pants waistband all the way around, up inside my crotch and squeezed around from the front each side and up the backside both sides. I was groped 4 times total! Next they rubbed my whole body down with a full palm pressure...including my buttocks and the front groin one inch either side of my fly. I exited without saying anything, the captain and myself just hanging our heads in shame. This is a new breed of LOW that I never thought I would allow…EVER.

I arrived at the aircraft and the captain and I both agreed I was not fit to fly. I was red-faced and sweating profusely (every swear word I ever knew was being silently mouthed). For the first time, it occurred to me that it's humiliation, not embarrassment, that causes anger. We advised the agents, the company and the union. They were unable to locate a replacement at the time, so subsequently the flight was cancelled. I followed the letter of the law in every way, and yet I have risked my career, reputation and the well-being of people around me who depend on my support.

Rest assured folks, Michael Roberts's view of this "land grab" of the last of our precious rights is right on. I've watched the screening system get progressively worse for five years. I estimate I've already endured over 700 pat downs. It's as if they plan some new hideous procedure, try it on us for a while and if they get away with it, they go further. It HAS to stop here. We own our bodies, not the government. It occurs to me that a groping does not reveal a pound of explosive in someone's rectum. So, if this is how TSA approaches its mission to prevent airplanes from blowing up, has anyone thought what's next? If we go along with this I can see cavity checks around the next corner. They believe just using "in the name of safety" makes it so and makes it right. IT DOES NOT!!!!!

This story was originally published by FedUpFlyers.org and the Rutherford Institute
 
I'll be honest it sounds kinda made up or written by a 21 year old Express FO. If he hated being patted down go thru the scanner. I'm not advocating I'm just saying don't cut your nose off to spite your face.
 
I agree, I have no problem being scanned, I'm not embarrassed by anything. Even though I believe these measures may be incorrect, especially for crew, I will take the scan. Definitely will not put myself through a pat down by some TSA jerk with a God complex though...he touches my junk, he may get a nasty surprise...all in the name of nerves!
 
Maybe you'll die early from radiation, and not have to worry about ever retiring. Lucky you!

Well, I can't find any published information about the beam strength, but it is indeed ionizing radiation.

I would suggest wearing a dosimeter at all times, and once you exceed OSHA guidelines, legally you can not work for the rest if the year.

For want it is worth, in a medical environment, you need to wear dosimiters to work near these machines. They do malfunction.

Pilots already get enough radiation exposure as it is.
 
Well, I can't find any published information about the beam strength, but it is indeed ionizing radiation.

I would suggest wearing a dosimeter at all times, and once you exceed OSHA guidelines, legally you can not work for the rest if the year.

For want it is worth, in a medical environment, you need to wear dosimiters to work near these machines. They do malfunction.

Pilots already get enough radiation exposure as it is.

Where does one acquire these dosimeters?
 
Well, I can't find any published information about the beam strength, but it is indeed ionizing radiation.

I would suggest wearing a dosimeter at all times, and once you exceed OSHA guidelines, legally you can not work for the rest if the year.

For want it is worth, in a medical environment, you need to wear dosimiters to work near these machines. They do malfunction.

Pilots already get enough radiation exposure as it is.

Yep, this is well beyond the privacy issue for me. That's big, but honestly, the health concerns are the most troubling to me. I mean, do you realize how much radiation we as pilots get flying at high altitudes? Hoooo buddy. Good reading: http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/info/RadHaz.html. I'd like to see the numbers for a solar flare event. Or maybe I don't...
 
I have to seriously question a guy who is so "humiliated" by a TSA pat-down that he was "useless" in the cockpit.

Really, dude?

I think you need to find another line of work and grow some thicker skin.
 
Well, I can't find any published information about the beam strength, but it is indeed ionizing radiation.

I would suggest wearing a dosimeter at all times, and once you exceed OSHA guidelines, legally you can not work for the rest if the year.

For want it is worth, in a medical environment, you need to wear dosimiters to work near these machines. They do malfunction.

Pilots already get enough radiation exposure as it is.

The TSO union actually wants their operators to be equipped with dosimeters and have had this greivance for some time - they are worried that the radiation from bag scanning machines (much less AIT) might have hazardous effects on TSO health and safety.
 
I have to seriously question a guy who is so "humiliated" by a TSA pat-down that he was "useless" in the cockpit.

Really, dude?

I think you need to find another line of work and grow some thicker skin.
Maybe, maybe not... If he was that upset he did the right thing. Even the Navy wanted people to take their mental state serious and not fly. I have yet to run into this situation, so I will withhold judgment. Having to go through that type of humiliation over time can make a person pretty frustrated- he obviously will beep every time, and now he must chose between being "exposed" in more than one sense of the word or arguably fondled. And to what purpose? You haven't been in his shoes either for that matter.
 
You haven't been in his shoes either for that matter.

As long as those shoes aren't transporting my family around.

We need people in the cockpit who are clear, logical thinkers who are able to perform when under stress. He's clearly displayed that he's not that person based on his coping skills with what is, in reality, a non-event.

I'd hate to see how he hangs with a complex emergency with hundreds of lives in the balance.
 
As long as those shoes aren't transporting my family around.
You'd be surprised at what may be flying your family around. It seemed to me he grounded himself, and the only thing wrong I see is that he did not do it sooner rather than later. I doubt he was truly worthless, probably just a little bit of hyperbole.
Eh, I never bought into this idiotic cartoonish zero defect mentality, there are a lot of people that would rather fly when they shouldn't and don't have the integrity to fix their problem. You may be right he may have to find another line of work, but I would say that is totally unnecessary and for no reasonable purpose.
 
As long as those shoes aren't transporting my family around.

We need people in the cockpit who are clear, logical thinkers who are able to perform when under stress. He's clearly displayed that he's not that person based on his coping skills with what is, in reality, a non-event.

I'd hate to see how he hangs with a complex emergency with hundreds of lives in the balance.


Getting the invasive pat down once... a non-event.

Getting every time you clear security... it becomes an issue.

I have been advised by my doctor that I should try and wear a knee brace as much as I comfortably can during this initial 'return to work' phase of treatment. Did just that. Got up, put on the brace, went to the airport. Long story short, it took me nearly 10 minutes from the time I put my bags on the belt until I walked clear of the TSA security checkpoint. No AIT machine, but I was not going to clear a metal detector... even advised the security agent working the metal detector that I was wearing a knee brace and would not get through the metal detector without setting it off.

The pat down was not as bad as some make it out. The individual doing the screening told me exactly what he was doing and was very professional about the entire thing. BUT... during the course of clearing security, there were several items that occured that really started to irk me. First was when they asked if I could remove my brace (it was UNDER my uniform), next was I couldn't remove my bags from the belt to help them get passengers through faster, yet my Flight Attendant could handle them, they also had me expose my brace so they could swab it for dangerous substances. After discussing the pat down with my crew and several friends, we all agreed that it was rediculous and absurd the way they are treating us when getting the pat down.

But, like I said... doing it once was a non-event. If I had to go through that every single time I cleared a security checkpoint, I can very easily see where the absurdity of the entire procedure (and the embaressment of being in uniform being patted down) could lead to emotions compounding upon themselves leaving you in an emotional state where your effectiveness as a crew member could be questioned. I can really see it becoming an issue when, at the time, there was no other option for crew members in uniform (we now have that option).
 
Getting the invasive pat down once... a non-event.

Getting every time you clear security... it becomes an issue.

I have been advised by my doctor that I should try and wear a knee brace as much as I comfortably can during this initial 'return to work' phase of treatment. Did just that. Got up, put on the brace, went to the airport. Long story short, it took me nearly 10 minutes from the time I put my bags on the belt until I walked clear of the TSA security checkpoint. No AIT machine, but I was not going to clear a metal detector... even advised the security agent working the metal detector that I was wearing a knee brace and would not get through the metal detector without setting it off.

The pat down was not as bad as some make it out. The individual doing the screening told me exactly what he was doing and was very professional about the entire thing. BUT... during the course of clearing security, there were several items that occured that really started to irk me. First was when they asked if I could remove my brace (it was UNDER my uniform), next was I couldn't remove my bags from the belt to help them get passengers through faster, yet my Flight Attendant could handle them, they also had me expose my brace so they could swab it for dangerous substances. After discussing the pat down with my crew and several friends, we all agreed that it was rediculous and absurd the way they are treating us when getting the pat down.

But, like I said... doing it once was a non-event. If I had to go through that every single time I cleared a security checkpoint, I can very easily see where the absurdity of the entire procedure (and the embaressment of being in uniform being patted down) could lead to emotions compounding upon themselves leaving you in an emotional state where your effectiveness as a crew member could be questioned. I can really see it becoming an issue when, at the time, there was no other option for crew members in uniform (we now have that option).
Exactly-spot on... You said it much better than I did.
 
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Well if it was bad enough to affect him, then don't you think the logical thing to do was to declare himself, "unfit for duty," and sit this one out? Stress does funny things to you, I know I've flown when I was too stressed out, and I've looked back and thought, "man, I didn't have my head in the game." That doesn't mean that I'm not typically calm under stressful flying conditions, just that situations external to the task at hand (ie flying the airplane) had approached critical mass.

No one is at the razor's edge all the time. You can either control the stress or let the stress control you. Either way, you can't have it effect your performance in the airplane. I'd rather he removed himself when he was too distracted to safely fly, than try to push through then have a "complex emergency" and really be screwed when he froze up.
 
I have to atta agree agree with CTAB. Its one thing to be patted down once in a career but if EVERY time you walked up to the security line you knew some guy was going to be grabbing you were you'd rather not be grabbed in a public place then I can really see how that would start to get someone down. That being said, its gonna be a cold day in you know what if they think I'm radiating my entire body so the TSA can see I don't have anything dangerous. I was talking to them about it not long ago and these particular individuals didn't seem to get it. They said well basically a picture comes up that makes you look like the michilen man. I've read the articles that say cell phones have more radiation than these AIT machines but then why when I get an Xray at the dentist do I have to wear a lead vest yet here something that passes through my whole body and shows the exact same image is it safe?
 
You'd be surprised at what may be flying your family around. It seemed to me he grounded himself, and the only thing wrong I see is that he did not do it sooner rather than later. I doubt he was truly worthless, probably just a little bit of hyperbole.
Eh, I never bought into this idiotic cartoonish zero defect mentality, there are a lot of people that would rather fly when they shouldn't and don't have the integrity to fix their problem. You may be right he may have to find another line of work, but I would say that is totally unnecessary and for no reasonable purpose.

I f I were on a hiring board, this is the type of "fighter pilot" that I wouldn't hire. Too big on himself and displays one of the five hazardous attitudes....any guesses which one. Probably thinks his sh#&^* don't stink and he's the only guy in his squad that can find the G-spot too! I'd rather have an honest person who is not over confident up there any day than a hot head crackpot that has a false sense of security and a Narcissistic Personality Disorder. However...that is the person that I would suggest re-up in the military because he is the perfect fighter pilot that I want defending my country!
 
I f I were on a hiring board, this is the type of "fighter pilot" that I wouldn't hire. Too big on himself and displays one of the five hazardous attitudes....any guesses which one. Probably thinks his sh#&^* don't stink and he's the only guy in his squad that can find the G-spot too! I'd rather have an honest person who is not over confident up there any day than a hot head crackpot that has a false sense of security and a Narcissistic Personality Disorder. However...that is the person that I would suggest re-up in the military because he is the perfect fighter pilot that I want defending my country!

You know all that about me based on my posts in this thread?

Damn, you have skills, Dr. Either that, or your shot-from-the hip diagnosis is just as off kilter as you believe my line of thinking to be.
 
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