Who was taught this (crosswind technique)

EatSleepFly said:
Yeah, I'm not even going to bother with a response. Ignorance is bliss.

Yet another reason to get working on my "project" I guess.

BTW Champcar- If you weren't taught that "technique" to begin with- you had a PISS POOR instructor! That's basic airmanship.
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LOL just the responce i wanted. Lighten up and get your panties out of a bunch....cant have any fun anymore.
 
mtsu_av8er said:
40' X 2900" is unsafe?:confused:

I guess the fad of the week is to say silly things about freight dogs that make no sense . . .
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What i said was me flying into that strip with a 20 knot x wind would be unsafe for me.
 
Im SOO sorry that my freaking x-wind experiance doesnt meet your standards. Man what a bunch of grumps.
 
Champcar said:
Im SOO sorry that my freaking x-wind experiance doesnt meet your standards. Man what a bunch of grumps.
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You need to learn the wind low method, its alot more comfortable, and if you are going to make this a career it will benefit you I am sure.

Unfortunately it doesn't get very windy in Glendale too often, but the first opportunity that comes along when you have a 12 plus Xwind component drag your CFI out there and practice.

Just a suggestion.
 
The PTS is very general in nature. It doesn't tell you whether the person has enough actual knowledge of the subject area at hand. There's way too much of the "blind leading the blind", even at the DPE and local FAA inspector level. It didn't seem that way back when I first started either, but now, with hindsight, I can see it fairly clearly -- kind of like seeing the truth in my former romantic relationships....
 
FOD said:
If done correctly you should still have a little aileron in during rotation to help keep that upwind wing down. Once mains are off, I teach to transition from a slip to a crab for the climbout.
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I agree.

You don't want to climb in the slip since it's inefficient, but you want to wait to transition from aileron into the wind until you are truly off the runway and won't touch down again.

That's all they are really saying. Most pilots who do it correctly will hardly notice sine the air time in the slip is so short.

Aeronautik, don't be "embarrassed" as you said in one of your posts. I'd almost bet you actually do it this way (unless you skip across the runway a bit just as you lift off) but just never thought of it this way. It's really just a further breakdown of the technique.
 
mtsu_av8er said:
40' X 2900" is unsafe?:confused:

I guess the fad of the week is to say silly things about freight dogs that make no sense . . .
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When your landing gear is 25 feet from inside tire to inside tire, yup, and 2900 feet leaves about 1900 feet for actual landing distance, yup. :)
 
mtsu_av8er said:
40' X 2900" is unsafe?:confused:

I guess the fad of the week is to say silly things about freight dogs that make no sense . . .
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Lloyd, you just think you are cool since you can call yourself a "freight dog" now.
From one kind of dog (devil) to another.
But then again, one never ceases being a Teufelhunde
 
desertdog71 said:
You need to learn the wind low method, its alot more comfortable, and if you are going to make this a career it will benefit you I am sure.

Unfortunately it doesn't get very windy in Glendale too often, but the first opportunity that comes along when you have a 12 plus Xwind component drag your CFI out there and practice.

Just a suggestion.
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Until you fly airplanes with wing slung engines, that are 18 inches off the ground....:)
 
seagull said:
Wow. And once again we manage to prove why airlines prefer military pilots that have standardized and correct training (even if the pilots don't always apply it, at least they were TAUGHT it!).

Wow. This thread so highlights the problems with GA training in the U.S. Lack of standardization, lack of knowledge (like the dingbat instructor using the "equal transit theory" or "newton is correct, bernoulli is not" for aerodynamics. It never ceases to amaze me.

You would not do what is correct because you weren't taught that? I would suggest you hire an instructor to LEARN the correct technique BEFORE your next flight!
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I really dont think you should take one or two peoples experiences as a sign that GA training is bad. Im sure there are good and bad flight schools all over.

Im just glad I've known the correct method for x-wind takeoffs/landings.:rawk:
 
eta71 said:
Lloyd, you just think you are cool since you can call yourself a "freight dog" now.
From one kind of dog (devil) to another.
But then again, one never ceases being a Teufelhunde
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The Teufelhunde explanation listed above is somewhat incorrect. The highly-motivated US Marines did not receive this name in WWII as mentioned. Quite the contrary, it was during the vicious fighting in the Battle of Belleau Wood, France (1918) during WWI where the Devil Dogs earned this reputation/ moniker.

Sorry for the highjack......just needed to set the record straight. Now to return to our regularly scheduled crosswind programming.;)
 
Dugie8 said:
Until you fly airplanes with wing slung engines, that are 18 inches off the ground....:)
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And which mythical aircraft would this be? A crosswind landing is a crosswind landing, whether a Cessna 172 or a mythical airplane. :)

What the hell are you flying? B-58's? If thats the case, you are probably coming in at such an airspeed on Final that a crosswind correction is negligable at best anyways. :sarcasm:
 
desertdog71 said:
And which mythical aircraft would this be? A crosswind landing is a crosswind landing, whether a Cessna 172 or a mythical airplane. :)

What the hell are you flying? B-58's? If thats the case, you are probably coming in at such an airspeed on Final that a crosswind correction is negligable at best anyways. :sarcasm:
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http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1036137/L/



a crosswind landing is not a crosswind landing, there is more than one way to do it.
 
Dugie8 said:
Until you fly airplanes with wing slung engines, that are 18 inches off the ground....:)
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I'm just wondering not calling you out or anything...so do you crab until just before touchdown, then oppisite rudder without dipping the wing?
 
caliginousface said:
I'm just wondering not calling you out or anything...so do you crab until just before touchdown, then oppisite rudder without dipping the wing?
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pretty much, the AFM says you have 5 degress of bank (with full strut extension) at 6 degrees of pitch (supposedley that is enough for a 30 knots of crosswind!). Its called a "kick out" and it works very well. You still touchdown on the upwind main first but the downwind main isn't that far off the ground and NEEDS to come down very quick, because as the struts compress you loose a lot of that clearance on the inboard engine. It is easier than it sounds, the transition from crab to slip is quick enough that the airplane stays tracking the centerline without having to drop the wing more than a couple of degrees before touchdown.
 
Dugie8 said:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1036137/L/



a crosswind landing is not a crosswind landing, there is more than one way to do it.
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18 inches??? C'mon man!!

Oh and by all means educate us on the proper crosswind technique for a DC-8.

As far as I know there are 2 ways to do a crosswind landing, and one works better than the other in a small GA aircraft in high winds.

Go ahead and educate me though, hell I may learn something, I am never opposed to that.
 
Dugie8 said:
pretty much, the AFM says you have 5 degress of bank (with full strut extension) at 6 degrees of pitch (supposedley that is enough for a 30 knots of crosswind!). Its called a "kick out" and it works very well. You still touchdown on the upwind main first but the downwind main isn't that far off the ground and NEEDS to come down very quick, because as the struts compress you loose a lot of that clearance on the inboard engine. It is easier than it sounds, the transition from crab to slip is quick enough that the airplane stays tracking the centerline without having to drop the wing more than a couple of degrees before touchdown.
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Sounds like a wing low to me. :)
 
desertdog71 said:
18 inches??? C'mon man!!

Just looked up the exact number (empty airplane) inboard pods on a -7X series (the link is a -73 series) 23.5 inches from the bottom of the pod to the ground.

Oh and by all means educate us on the proper crosswind technique for a DC-8.

See above

As far as I know there are 2 ways to do a crosswind landing, and one works better than the other in a small GA aircraft in high winds.

Read a book, you might find some interesting info in there, not just JC self proclaimed expert testimony. :sarcasm:

Go ahead and educate me though, hell I may learn something, I am never opposed to that.
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educated...:)
 
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