Who killed non-rev shoulder season?

Back when non-reving on TWA was still a thing, flights weren’t full. Outside of holidays and summer vacation load factors averaged in the low 60% range. Certain routes and cities were avoided at different times of the day or week, but you could pretty much non-rev anywhere without much worry about getting on as long as you didn’t mind taking the early morning flights or maybe waiting til the second connecting flight. You never needed backups and the only reason you got ZED fares (well, IDs because ZEDs didn’t exist outside Europe) was because your airline didn’t fly there.

Starting in 2004-2005 airlines started getting “capacity discipline” and worked to fill their flights more. Still, LFs overall hovered in the low 80s and while you definitely had to be more selective about your flights, it wasn’t bad. Hell, prior to the merger I never non-rev’ed in coach on Delta unless it was an RJ or a Shuttle plane. Maybe like 10% of the time I wouldn’t get first.

After the financial crisis airlines got good at filling the planes year round and not just the old holiday flights. System load factors crept up into the low and mid 90s and have only crept higher. Revenue management has always been good at matching demand to availability, but airlines today are hyper focused and unlike 20 years ago when they would use those high performers to subsidize the struggling routes, today they just cut the slackers and move on. It’s great for the paycheck, and it has overall lessened a lot of the financial ups and downs for the carriers and their employees. But it’s made non-reving a vastly less valuable benefit. I mean sure, I don’t have to put on my Sunday best to fly to Peoria anymore, but I also can’t make plans to go to Rome in July without 10 OAL ZED fares and being willing to route my way home via São Paulo and Anchorage to get back.

It leads to another rant of mine. Yeah seats have gotten a little thinner over the last 50 years as technology has improved, but it’s not the ever shrinking airline seat that makes flying less comfortable. It’s the fact that unlike 1990 where you could almost be guaranteed an empty middle or even your own row on every single flight, flights today will have every seat occupied. The tubes haven’t gotten smaller, and it’s not really that we’ve gotten fatter (though we have), we’re just not flying around empty seats any more.
 
Fair point, but also I don't think it's a big ask to be able to utilize our benefits. Management tricking us into paying for what's free is next level •housery.
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You are 100% correct. It’s frustrating.

To take this to another level. About a year ago I was looking at our discount ticket options. If I booked for just myself the price was x. If I booked for both myself and the SO the price was y. This was using the employee discount fare.

The audacity!
 
With just the two of us it's significantly easier. We nonrev internationally every couple of months and while it's ok most of the time, it's definitely gotten harder. When I first started out we would get business class maybe 50% of the time, even being super junior. Now it's maybe 25% with the other 25% being Premium Select (which I appreciate but definitely don't get why people would pay double the price of an economy ticket for something that isn't twice as good IMO). Europe has been rough, mainly because it seems Americans have a newfound desire to go there, especially Italy, which is where we're normally going and often requires some creative routing. Asia has been pretty open. Also, we talk about how many Americans are struggling, but the K-shaped economy is real. There are a lot more rich people than before too and they're buying up premium seats left and right, leaving less for nonrevs. I guess that's a good problem to have, job security in some form for us.

To the folks that work at Delta, did I see correctly that your MEC put out at some point that in the next contract they are working to secure enhanced flight benefits or something to that extent, or am I making this up?

I think it's more about bringing us up to industry standard rather than blazing new trails. We still don't have business class Zed fares, not even on our partner airlines, and our employee discount is a joke. It's a fixed percentage off the full fare and I've often found cheaper tickets at retail price by checking google flights. Based on what some of my friends at UAL are showing me, if we could get anything similar I probably wouldn't nonrev anymore
 
“Imagine stepping off a plane expecting a normal airport gate, only to be squeezed into a crowded shuttle bus like public transport.”

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With just the two of us it's significantly easier. We nonrev internationally every couple of months and while it's ok most of the time, it's definitely gotten harder. When I first started out we would get business class maybe 50% of the time, even being super junior. Now it's maybe 25% with the other 25% being Premium Select (which I appreciate but definitely don't get why people would pay double the price of an economy ticket for something that isn't twice as good IMO). Europe has been rough, mainly because it seems Americans have a newfound desire to go there, especially Italy, which is where we're normally going and often requires some creative routing. Asia has been pretty open. Also, we talk about how many Americans are struggling, but the K-shaped economy is real. There are a lot more rich people than before too and they're buying up premium seats left and right, leaving less for nonrevs. I guess that's a good problem to have, job security in some form for us.



I think it's more about bringing us up to industry standard rather than blazing new trails. We still don't have business class Zed fares, not even on our partner airlines, and our employee discount is a joke. It's a fixed percentage off the full fare and I've often found cheaper tickets at retail price by checking google flights. Based on what some of my friends at UAL are showing me, if we could get anything similar I probably wouldn't nonrev anymore
Same here with just the two of us, so definitely easier in that regard. We're still doing 3-4 international trips a year and still chase the biz seats with some success. Like @Kingairer says, we'll go anywhere to get a good seat even backwards sometimes. Though last December I got stuck last minute in 47G whilst the better half was up in D1. At least the FA took pity on me and was good with hefty pours of the steerage swill.

Another trip this spring we bailed out of CDG, hopped on AF up to LHR and gladly accepted the higher departure tax for D1 seats. I've operated a few flights recently with open D1 seats somehow but of course it won't be the week we're trying to leave.
 

Last year during the Cloudflare meltdown we couldn't get a flight plan leaving CDG. Of course we were at a remote gate and hung out in the terminal for awhile then finally decided to head to the plane as dispatch told us things might be happening.

Explicitly told the AF agents, DO NOT SEND the pax out on the buses as we don't know if we'll even be able to leave today. Not five minutes after we get to the plane here come the buses. Then they decide to keep everyone on the buses and it takes 30 minutes for us to convince them at least board the poor people so they're not stuck sweating on the buses.

I do miss the days of the crew bus picking us up directly at the gate in CDG and avoiding the whole traipse through the terminal.
 
I don't get too picky about the destination within Europe; I just want to get there as comfortably as possible. Once over there, I normally train to where I really want to go. I've also had some really good ZED fare experiences too; it was nearly as smooth as having a full-fare ticket.
On AA I pretty much just plan to get to LHR most of the time and then either ZED or buy a ticket to wherever I'm trying to go. Between the 2 daily out of here (PHL) amd tons of connecting options, getting there is generally easy outside of certain peak times.
 
I think it's more about bringing us up to industry standard rather than blazing new trails. We still don't have business class Zed fares, not even on our partner airlines, and our employee discount is a joke. It's a fixed percentage off the full fare and I've often found cheaper tickets at retail price by checking google flights. Based on what some of my friends at UAL are showing me, if we could get anything similar I probably wouldn't nonrev anymore
This is a great point. The flexibility we have at UAL is pretty fantastic. Thanks for the perspective.
 
Do I understand correctly that you guys can adjust your seat assignment via the UAL app as a non-rev for a small window?
Correct.

We set our primary and secondary preference in the app. (Window first, aisle second for me). At 60 mins prior the system runs and depending on the ratio of seats available to non revs listed the system will auto clear putting you in your preferred seat if available. It runs again 30 mins out if not everyone was cleared the first time.

Once you’ve got your seat you can then go into the app and change yourself to any open seat that you prefer. Works for both non revenue flights and deadheads.
 
Correct.

We set our primary and secondary preference in the app. (Window first, aisle second for me). At 60 mins prior the system runs and depending on the ratio of seats available to non revs listed the system will auto clear putting you in your preferred seat if available. It runs again 30 mins out if not everyone was cleared the first time.

Once you’ve got your seat you can then go into the app and change yourself to any open seat that you prefer. Works for both non revenue flights and deadheads.
Ed Bastian would never.

That's amazing, our stupid system doesn't even allow us to view which seats are open inside of an hour let alone swap seats. I do very much appreciate how UA still keeps the seats visible in the app for everyone to see, very handy in figuring out commutes.
 
The airports haven’t been an overflowing mess of humanity this week. At least in my very unscientific sample survey of gate scurrying.
 
It is amazing how flights are so damn full, feel like we're on the cusp of another credit bubble.


Forgive the USA Today link, but I'm also going to rant about the lack of free sunshades...errr newspaper these days too.



I bet every single one of them are going to buy that new folding iPhone for $3,000.
 
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