Which Legacy/Major do you want to work at and why...

Choose one...

  • American

    Votes: 29 11.8%

  • Delta

    Votes: 59 24.0%

  • FedEx

    Votes: 32 13.0%

  • Southwest

    Votes: 33 13.4%

  • United

    Votes: 58 23.6%

  • UPS

    Votes: 7 2.8%

  • Alaska

    Votes: 10 4.1%

  • Hawaiian

    Votes: 7 2.8%

  • JetBlue

    Votes: 11 4.5%
  • Total voters
    246
chrisreedrules

chrisreedrules

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Thread title basically says it all... In an ideal world you have offers from the all of the following for a class date around the same time. Which is the airline/job you want the most and why do you want it. And if you care to, also explain why you wouldn't want to work at the other outfits.

For me, it's American. I like the bases (specifically MIA and CLT) and I like that they have the largest amount of retirements coming up. Although I'm not so sure that working for a WO regional will ultimately be the best path to get there despite all the current flow projections. A close second for me would be UA or SW. In reality I would take an offer from any of the above.
 
I voted for American,
Bases,retirements, and serious potential for a good career...if they don't just turn it in to a larger US Air
 
bimmerphile said:
Y no jetblu
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While I think JetBlue is a good company with good compensation, I think their compensation falls woefully behind SW and the legacies. And for this reason I know many would not consider them a "career" airline. I personally would consider them the best of the bunch when it comes to Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant, etc. but not on par with a legacy.

But hey, I'll add it. I'm sure there are those out there who would love to end up there for various reasons and I know a couple people there that are really happy.
 
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chrisreedrules said:
While I think JetBlue is a good company with good compensation, I think their compensation falls woefully behind SW and the legacies. And for this reason I know many would not consider them a "career" airline. I personally would consider them the best of the bunch when it comes to Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant, etc. but not on par with a legacy.

But hey, I'll add it. I'm sure there are those out there who would love to end up there for various reasons and I know a couple people there that are really happy.
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If you like the MIA base, wouldn't that elevate JB in your mind? Besides, its a poll, even if you don't like them, why not put them on there.
 
If I had to go back to 121 it would be Hawaiian. Nearly everyone I met was great to be around and I really would fit in with the higher level of service culture there.
 
chrisreedrules said:
While I think JetBlue is a good company with good compensation, I think their compensation falls woefully behind SW and the legacies. And for this reason I know many would not consider them a "career" airline. I personally would consider them the best of the bunch when it comes to Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant, etc. but not on par with a legacy.

But hey, I'll add it. I'm sure there are those out there who would love to end up there for various reasons and I know a couple people there that are really happy.
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You know JB is in the midst of their first contract and the company is doing fairly well. It wasn't long ago that Continental was paying $37/hr, US Air had similar poor rates.

It is fun to watch pilots get into measuring contests when things constantly change. Trying to lock in a "right answer" is futile. In 5 years everything will have changed.
 
Everyone I've met at JetBlue is happy, and when you're slogging it out on the line, grinding out trips weeks after week with no future left but to retire, being happy is important.

Guys like to talk about driving to base, which is cool...I guess. I've done it now, and never got off reserve. When I got a trip, it was always a 5 day, since that's what my base had. So what's the difference between commuting to a 5 day and driving to a 5 day? Not much, in my experience. I commute to 3 day trips right now, and I'm home a lot more than when I lived in base. Oh, and that base I lived in? It closed. Bases close.

Some guys like equipment, or flying but that changes too. What happens when you're flying the 747 to exotic destinations, living in base and driving to work in MSP, and you go through an airline merger, and now you're commuting from MSP to DTW to stay on that equipment?

I've got to be honest, guys, after almost 10 years of doing this crap, working with people you like comes out on top for me. Airplanes will come and go, bases will come and go, pay will come and go, but you'd better be happy with the folks you're working with, and thus culture takes a huge leap to the front for me.
 
United. I worked there for 15 years in another capacity before a layoff. Pretty much started my career in aviation there and it is where I would like to finish it. The fact that I have a spotless employment history with them doesn't seem to matter though as I can't seem to get a call.
 
jtrain609 said:
Everyone I've met at JetBlue is happy, and when you're slogging it out on the line, grinding out trips weeks after week with no future left but to retire, being happy is important.

Guys like to talk about driving to base, which is cool...I guess. I've done it now, and never got off reserve. When I got a trip, it was always a 5 day, since that's what my base had. So what's the difference between commuting to a 5 day and driving to a 5 day? Not much, in my experience. I commute to 3 day trips right now, and I'm home a lot more than when I lived in base. Oh, and that base I lived in? It closed. Bases close.

Some guys like equipment, or flying but that changes too. What happens when you're flying the 747 to exotic destinations, living in base and driving to work in MSP, and you go through an airline merger, and now you're commuting from MSP to DTW to stay on that equipment?

I've got to be honest, guys, after almost 10 years of doing this crap, working with people you like comes out on top for me. Airplanes will come and go, bases will come and go, pay will come and go, but you'd better be. happy with the folks you're working with, and thus culture takes a huge leap to the front for me.
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Coming to mainline felt like coming on vacation. On short call I didn't even work a single day of the month when first hired, on long call sitting at home I went 23 days in a row without a call...it's tighter now, I work a red-eye a week. Leave home at noon on day one get back by 11-12 on day 3. That is normally my work week - gone from home two days a week. Living in base is significantly better at a major, I don't do it now but I can't wait until we move.
 
JetDoc said:
United. I worked there for 15 years in another capacity before a layoff. Pretty much started my career in aviation there and it is where I would like to finish it. The fact that I have a spotless employment history with them doesn't seem to matter though as I can't seem to get a call.
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This is a strange industry man... I've run into a couple guys recently who you would think would be shoo ins at a legacy but they can't get a call. Plenty of LCA and experienced CAs with masters not getting calls either. And mil guys with fighter time and heavy time not getting called. The retirements don't really start kicking into gear until the next year or two, so I'm sure there will be an uptick in experienced guys ejecting from the regionals. But a lot of the hiring practices of the legacies make no logical sense to me. I wish the hiring was more directly in the hands of the pilots, not HR. If I'm going to be sitting next to someone for 4 days I'd like a little more say in things opposed to some bean counter looking at checked boxes on a screen.
 
chrisreedrules said:
This is a strange industry man... I've run into a couple guys recently who you would think would be shoo ins at a legacy but they can't get a call. Plenty of LCA and experienced CAs with masters not getting calls either. And mil guys with fighter time and heavy time not getting called. The retirements don't really start kicking into gear until the next year or two, so I'm sure there will be an uptick in experienced guys ejecting from the regionals. But a lot of the hiring practices of the legacies make no logical sense to me. I wish the hiring was more directly in the hands of the pilots, not HR. If I'm going to be sitting next to someone for 4 days I'd like a little more say in things opposed to some bean counter looking at checked boxes on a screen.
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Yeah I get it and agree with you. It just seems odd that if you have an applicant that exceeds all of your hiring mins and has a previous history with you that it wouldn't bump you up the selection list a bit. Like you said though, hiring at this level truly does not make any logical sense.
 
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