Aviator_Bakeek
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Please do!
Which CFI for my initial?
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Please do!
tgrayson
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That's because it isn't legal.
You need to have the appropriate class rating on your flight instructor certificate before you can teach in that airplane. Reference 14 CFR 61.195(b)(1).
Aviator_Bakeek
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That's because it isn't legal.
Well, if you have a CFII for SEL Airplane, and the pilot certificate, then it would be legal...correct? Or does the CFII just read "Certificated Flight Instructor - Instrument Airplane" and leaves the " Single engine land" out of the verbiage and default to the CFI or MEI?
You got me all backwards man.:insane:
You have to have the class rating. IE- Comm/ASEL, along with your CFII. A CFII with only a Comm/AMEL, for example, wouldn't be able to teach instruments in a single.
Aviator_Bakeek
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Got it now.
Thanks for the clarification
Thanks for the clarification
tgrayson
New Member
Yes. The regulation changed this past August and the previous reading allowed the interpretation that as long as you had the appropriate class rating on your pilot certificate, you were good to go teaching instruments. No longer. The language now makes it clear that you need the class rating on the Flight Instructor certificate.
This was the point that MidlifeFlyer was making above that seems to have been overlooked.
Aviator_Bakeek
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So my next question...
Your initial flight instructor certificate is with the FAA and then the others are with a DPE correct?
Your initial flight instructor certificate is with the FAA and then the others are with a DPE correct?
Not unless something changed. Initial can be done with a DPE, thats how I did mine.
AviatorGator
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While I agree with most of what you said, your last paragraph is silly. I'll get my MEI when I darn well please thank you very much.
3 years?!?! I got my CFI, then MEI two months later, then my CFII right after that. I have been instructing for less than three years, most of which has been very part-time, and I've sent 13 people to their multi- and/or MEI checkride. Never had a problem.
To the OP, I would say do it the traditional way, get your CFI-A first. Easier isn't always better.
Might not be a qual thing, sounds more like a good-deal thing for seniority type of thing at that company.
tgrayson
New Member
Not done very often these days. Big impetus from Ok City for FSDOs to do these.
Aviator_Bakeek
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Don't forget about insurance. I remember some schools had much higher insurance requirements for the MEI's, depending upon the school of-course.
I can see OK City wanting that. They clamping down on more on the DPE side, or more on the CFI student side?
Aviator_Bakeek
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Well is going with the FSDO much harder than going with a DPE? I am sure there is the intimidation factor but otherwise, isnt it all suppose to be the same checkride?
tgrayson
New Member
Both? I think they have the impression that DPEs have been too lax and unqualified candidates were passing.
Probably right.
tgrayson
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Depends on the FSDO and the Inspector. Yes, it's supposed to be the same checkride, but the attitude of the examiner matters. If he wants to make it a miserable experience for you, he can find a reason. Research the FSDO and the Inspector you get.
Edit: Three or four years ago, MEM FSDO was to be avoided at all costs. There was only one Inspector who did CFI rides and it was because they didn't trust him to do anything more responsible. It was rumored that if you brought donuts, your odds of passing were greatly increased. That's all changed now that he retired and we have a new group that everyone respects highly. They want you to pass and will give some mock checkrides ahead of time, if you ask.
Aviator_Bakeek
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Does anyone know anything about the Dallas FSDO?
tgrayson
New Member
Probably ought to post that in the thread title. And search the archives...I'm sure the question has been asked before. (I'd use Google to search the archives, not the forum search feature.)
The Gardener
Terrafirma Phobic
From my experience everybody I've had to deal with at our local FSDO has been great. My Instructor applicant students have had good luck and the inspectors have always been pleasant. The only complaint I have is that scheduling can be a bit difficult sometimes.
That being said though, some FSDO's still allow their DPE's perform initial flight checks. Best to deal within your FSDO though instead of shopping around.
Cessna414JJB
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Thats in sync with what I was told when it came to scheduling my ride. Our FSDO had planned to not be doing initials, period, by the end of last year. "Increased numbers of incidents" prevent them from doing initials with DPE's. He referenced a OKC statement on that. Some FSDO's may have a different take on it, logistics and scheduling would have been much easier for me if done with a DPE, and even though the Sup was very much understanding all of this, he offered me to send me a POI. They are very supportive and help you out quite a bit if you talk to em.
I agree with the "Crawl before you walk" statement - and from the quality of low time CFI-I's I've received dual from I would agree that refining ones teaching habits and "real world experience" are key to a sucessful instrument or multi pilot.
Hope you enjoy the read. Don't let anyone scare you. In a perfect world your CFI checkride will be an intimmidating experience and only YOU can pass it. Steve did well, John did soso, and Cody ripped himself a new... well...
The Inspector had hemroids, nausea, got tired, barked but failed to poop.......... you name it.
All this can happen to a DPE and it is said that DPE's have to produce a certain quota to remain credible within their FSDO.
Many FSDO's are very concerned with the quality of their fellow new CFI's and thats not always for no reason.