Where to go? - ATP, UVSC

TheWife said:
They don't even know! My husband's degree does not say "This student took his classes online instead of coming into the campus". He did some of both, depending on the class and schedule. His degree doesn't look any different than someone who did it all on campus or all online, so how could a major even know?
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From what I gather.. In the aviation biz, there are a handful of "online degree" providers that pilots tend to gravitate toward..

All I know is this... I have a friend who has an online degree.. He was persuing a job at FDX... My father was his sponsor... One of the questions asked of my father during the "sponsorship process" while questioning the applicant was... "Is this degree a brick and mortar degree..." To which my dad replied "No, it is not.." to which the guy speaking with my father gave a less than favorable reply.. I do not remember what my pops said exactly.. That is all I know...

It doesn't matter though, my buddy is now at Southwest...
 
jtrain609 said:
Naw I'm just saying you got screwed even harder than most. I really feel bad for you Regions guys.
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Yeh.. I kinda thought you were saying something like that, just wasn't sure how to take that.. :)

Yeh.. no furlough, no nothing.. I mean, I seriously found out I didn't have a job on Flight Info.....
 
Tram said:
Yeh.. I kinda thought you were saying something like that, just wasn't sure how to take that.. :)

Yeh.. no furlough, no nothing.. I mean, I seriously found out I didn't have a job on Flight Info.....
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ouch...

That's gotta suck man...sorry!
 
Just as a side note:
If you have the money to pay for ATP, take the $50K, go to the FBO spend $25-30k on your training so you can do it as fast as you want, use the remainder to pay for your own apartment and hotels on the road and such, and see if you come out ahead.
If I were to pay my house payment 1100/month for 3 months (90 day program) that is only 3300 out of the 20k I have left, I think I can come up with a hotel, rental car and such with the 16700 I have left.
Am I missing something?
 
TheWife said:
They don't even know! My husband's degree does not say "This student took his classes online instead of coming into the campus". He did some of both, depending on the class and schedule. His degree doesn't look any different than someone who did it all on campus or all online, so how could a major even know?
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If you are comparing two, twenty two or twenty three year old recent college grads (one online, and one the traditional route), I think you will find two very different people. Going to college isnt just about what you learn in class, and it is in my opinion very difficult for the student who'm stayed home for college to emulate the experiences of the individual who lived on campus.

In regards to your husband, this shouldn't be a big deal.
 
Tram said:
Hahahahahaha.. You said that out loud...
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The question is, exactly how blatantly sarcastic do you have to be before people on the internet don't need to see a sarcasm tag? ;)

I just still can't believe that someone would compare ATP pilots to Harvard doctors and those from FBO's to ones from community colleges.
 
zmiller4 said:
The question is, exactly how blatantly sarcastic do you have to be before people on the internet don't need to see a sarcasm tag? ;)

I just still can't believe that someone would compare ATP pilots to Harvard doctors and those from FBO's to ones from community colleges.
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Personally, I'd love to see somebody find a community college with a med school.
 
MikeOH58 said:
If you are comparing two, twenty two or twenty three year old recent college grads (one online, and one the traditional route), I think you will find two very different people.
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If you compare any two people, you will find two very different people.
Going to college isnt just about what you learn in class, and it is in my opinion very difficult for the student who'm stayed home for college to emulate the experiences of the individual who lived on campus.
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So what did he miss by not living on campus? Partying? Late nights w/ girls? Dances? More mileage on his car? Some students learn better at home and some don't. Don't assume in your comparison, that your on-campus kid is going to come out better than the online kid.
In regards to your husband, this shouldn't be a big deal.
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It WON'T be a big deal because no one will know or care that he took some of his classes online. And by the time he has to show his degree, it will changed from UVSC to Utah Valley University.
 
zmiller4 said:
The question is, exactly how blatantly sarcastic do you have to be before people on the internet don't need to see a sarcasm tag? ;)
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No, that's no question.. Sometimes it's perfectly obvious.. ;)

zmiller4 said:
I just still can't believe that someone would compare ATP pilots to Harvard doctors and those from FBO's to ones from community colleges.
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These are the same kids who get to regionals and compare pilots based on the regional they are at... "My button pushing skills are much superior to those at XYZ airline.." :)
 
TheWife said:
The regionals are hiring enough people right now that they can hire BOTH of the candidates you described. Only, the one with the degree is probably 3-4 years older than the other and wishing he had got to the regional as fast as the other candidate, who is younger, and will have the same seniority as him. While I respect your opinion, I'm on the other side of the hill that you are just starting to approach. So my opinion stands. (And when I say stay away from UVSC, I mean as far as the flying. The college itself is fine, too easy probably, but it still works and is affordable.)
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I see what your saying, personally I just wanted a degree first.. but I see your point.
 
I read some people saying that I should go to a local FBO and spend $20,000 to $30,000. Are there really FBOs where you can get as much multi time and get as many licenses as ATP for $20,000-$30,000?
 
Future DIA Pilot said:
I read some people saying that I should go to a local FBO and spend $20,000 to $30,000. Are there really FBOs where you can get as much multi time and get as many licenses as ATP for $20,000-$30,000?
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Yes there is! I've done the math before but I'm just too busy/lazy to do it all over again.

Find out how ATP does the training...in what order they get their ratings/how many safety pilot hours they log/how many SIM time..once you have the numbers find a cheap plane and a good CFI do the math and see what you come up with!
 
TheWife said:
Amen to don't go to UVSC. My husband went there, he's an instructor right now, and it took probably 4 times longer to get to this point than it should have. It took 6 months just to get through the process of being hired as a CFI, and that's while students were desperate for instructors, but UVSC just couldn't get it together fast enough. I disagree about getting your degree first. I think you can try to work on both at the same time, but I would put more emphasis on the hours, getting to the regional, and then finishing up the degree once you are there. Disagree me all you want, if we had gone that way my husband would be a CA right now instead of a CFI.
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I'm going to guess though that most college-age folks who aspire to become an airline pilot don't have a wife and 2 children to support. You are looking at this "degree first or later" thing from the standpoint of money. Your husband's choice of getting a degree first combined with him choosing a bad school cost your family money. This is a problem your average 22 year old isn't going to have.

Getting a degree while working for a regional might be the best option for your specific situation (though I'm not really convinced it is), but the majority of people out there would probably be better served getting that degree knocked out first.
 
I think it's really about short term v. long term.

Again - your situation is unique - I've never heard of anyone taking so long to get their ratings - your hubby got screwed, no doubt.

Then again, if you really want to spend time with your husband, would you want him to have to be knocking out a degree while working full time at a regional?
 
It wouldn't have made any difference. I never saw him while he was working F/T and getting his degree, I don't see him now while he's a CFI M-F 8-12 hours a day, +32 hours of weekend work to pay the bills, and I woudln't see him any less if he had skipped the degree, been at a regional, and was working on the degree now. I may have been able to see him more though. He'd be upgrading already and may have had a nice enough schedule that he could do his degree on his off days and still have time left over. (Basing this on the schedules I have heard, like a 2nd year FO, works Wed-Fri, and is bringing in $3300 after taxes.) If that was him, I'd be seeing him a lot more, even if he was working on a degree for a few hours a day.
 
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