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I really appreciate everyone chiming in. All your insight has been beyond helpful. Any thoughts on if the ATP "Fast Track" program is worth the commitment and money? I heard it was great for training but also really intense...
 
I really appreciate everyone chiming in. All your insight has been beyond helpful. Any thoughts on if the ATP "Fast Track" program is worth the commitment and money? I heard it was great for training but also really intense...
My feeling about ATP has always been that anything they can do could be done at any flight school that has good aircraft availability and CFI's willing to do accelerated training. Their marketing is designed to suck you in. Nice website. Much depends on the location. It's likely your CFI will have been in your shoes a year ago. I'm not a fan but have run into folks that were successful going that route.
 
Welcome to aviation and welcome to the forum. The Bay is a beautiful area to fly and I'm glad you're enjoying the journey so far. I offer a few principles, all learned the hard way, that might help you decide the next steps towards your goal.

1. Work on whatever is you want consistently. Working more hours per day is great, but working every day is crucial. Taking a break, no matter how well-reasoned or well-intentioned, is costly. In other words, plan a future where you keep flying regularly. No excuses.

2. Surround yourself with people who want the same things that you want. Community is important. You will hold each other accountable and motivate one another. If a big chunk of your friends are flying, it will be entirely normal for you to fly as well. When friends move on to jobs, they will provide a network of opportunities for you. And slugging through that first low-paying flying job will be entirely normal, too. But these forces work against you if surround yourself with people who want something different. For example, say you focus 4-years on a "backup" degree in engineering to the exclusion of flying. Then you will be surrounded by a lot of people whose first choice is engineering, who are getting nice internships and jobs in engineering, and wouldn't you like to be with your friends and have a nice job, too?

3. As you make big decisions, listen to your brain and your gut. Something can make all the logical sense in the world on paper, but yet feel wrong at a deep level. Respect this feeling and seek a different path. On the flip side, if you really want something but a level-headed analysis throws up an explosion of red flags, you have to respect that too.

4. Only you can make personal big decisions, because only you have the full picture. Your parents, friends, and teachers want the best for you and will offer the best advice they can. But they are not inhabiting your body, they don't feel what you feel, and they will not live the consequences. So gather input, think critically, and make the best decision for you (and in the future, your dependents). Sometimes that might mean ignoring "good" advice.

From what you have said, I think either an accelerated program + online degree or a 4-year university with flight program satisfy these principles. If I was advising my own children, I would prefer the 4-year university option. I value the college experience for its own sake and some classes simply work better in person (such as labs). It might even be possible to participate in the flight program while majoring in something else of interest -- I believe I knew someone in graduate school who did all their flight training at Riddle but graduated with an aero engineering degree. A 4-year university also presupposes some mix of scholarships and parental support. If I was completely on my own the calculus would rapidly shift to the lowest cost option.

You're off to a great start! Good luck!
 
You’re really young, ATP doesn’t seem like it would be a great fit for you because zero to hero and time building you still can’t get hired until 21 minimum. I guess that might fall into the exact timeline but steep price, fast training, I think more practical for a career changer imo. Not a HS grad.

I did the college route for a few reasons: can switch majors if it doesn’t work out, can still enjoy college and all that comes with it while you train, check the box for the degree if you are chasing a legacy, but most of all grants, scholarships, and government loans (unsubsidized and subsidized) count towards flying “labs” certificates.

Not saying go that route by any means but if you’re looking at the two if I was 18 again I would 10/10 times go back to the college route. I know it’s a lot more competitive now than when I did it and financial aid is not the same for everyone so do your due diligence. Just know government student loans have more protections/relief, better interest rates and way better than private loans that flight schools will act like are the same.

Anyways just my 2c. As always take any advice with a grain of salt.
 
I really appreciate everyone chiming in. All your insight has been beyond helpful. Any thoughts on if the ATP "Fast Track" program is worth the commitment and money? I heard it was great for training but also really intense...

My friends girlfriend is currently at ATP as part of the Delta Propel Program and is pretty unhappy with it. Inconsistent lessons, DPE unavailability, frequent schedule changes that continue to delay her progress, and charges for no shows when the instructors cancel. I understand a large flight school like ATP can become a bit tribal but hers just seems all around unprofessional. She's tried to leave but Propel has strict requirements on selecting or switching flight schools. Based on what she's said, I really wouldn't recommend it, but this is all secondhand information. Perhaps another member has a recent experience they can share.

Their recommendation on the best path to a major was surprisingly United Aviate. I don’t know all the details but I guess because of the way the requirements are structured you could get all your ratings and then fly at a Surf Air type of operation for 1000 hours and then go straight to United. Sounded like you can go zero to legacy in just a few years whereas my friend's girlfriend has been doing her primary training at ATP for a really long time now.
 
I really appreciate everyone chiming in. All your insight has been beyond helpful. Any thoughts on if the ATP "Fast Track" program is worth the commitment and money? I heard it was great for training but also really intense...
I would recommend against going to ATP for someone in your position. I think its probably better for someone who is changing careers, is already of age, and needs to make up for lost time. For a highschooler, id recommend finding an affordable Public university with a flight program and a well rounded aviation experience and finishing with a 4 year degree. Youll be able to instruct at the university and have a built in pipeline for students, and then a built in pipeline to the airlines as well. Youll be marketable at the same time you hit the age to be able to be hireable. I wouldnt give away the college experience to get flight time a little quicker. I probably did some of that and "rushed" through college to be hired young at a regional, only to be met with stagnation and a bad time in the industry. In the end I did ok, but the rush to get to the airline really did make a difference as others who did faired as well if not better.
 
I'm generally against ATP, pilot mills in general are about expediency. They have their role...pay big money and get your ratings as fast as possible (with airmanship taking the hit usually) They have a revolving door of CFI's who's ONLY goal (most of the time) is to build time and bail. Again not the not all the time but you get the point.

Completely anecdotal...but in my 17 yeas of 121/135 flying...I can count on 1 hand who I've flown with who had gone to ATP and they were all
career changers.
 
There are only a couple 4 year degree pilot programs in CA. One is SJSU. However, there are quite a few 2 year programs that will get all the ratings done and have the R-ATP hours exception (can get the R-ATP at 1250 total). If one wants college this is a good option IMO. Get it done 2 years faster and could do a couple years of online schooling to get the four year while working in the biz.
 
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