When Your Entire Radio Stack Fails...

Lupica747

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This may seem like a stupid question but I am genuinely curious...

I was conducting some survey work in the vicinity of Winnipeg MB yesterday (lucky, I know). Most of my work was back and forth through the departure path of Winnipeg Intl's traffic.

About two hours in, my entire radio stack went dark. I don't think it was the alternator, because all of my survey equipment was still on and I was getting a charge from my ammeter (I've had 2 alternator failures in my plane this season and yesterday showed none of those symptoms).

When this happened, I cursed a couple times, then immediately got out of the way of the departure path. I descended a little bit to see if I could get a cell signal to maybe call Winnipeg tower, with no luck. I tried to recycle the avionics, but the switch that doubles as the breaker for the system was not only hot, but when I flipped it on, it would automatically go back into the OFF position, so that wasn't happening at the moment.

I proceeded to circle for about 10 minutes while monitoring any traffic and gave my system time to cool off. Part of my trouble shooting was turning off my survey stuff as that may have created too much stress on the system. As soon as the failure happened I squawked 7600, however, like everything else, the transponder appeared off.

After about 10 minutes I tried the radios again, and they worked, albeit not well. I was able to contact terminal, who told Tower to get the light gun ready. I landed, and somehow the radios stayed functional down to the ground, which was a relief. With that in mind, I asked this:

Lost Comms seemed to be touched upon assuming you only lost your radios. They mention listening on VORs, contacting ARINCs, squawking of course etc, but I have yet to see what one should do if they lose everything.

Can ATC tell or at least infer that I have run into this issue? Will my data block automatically indicate a NORDO situation? I'm curious because I'm not sure how long it would take for me to trust Tower knew I was in trouble if I didn't get my radios back.
 
You're not in a 172 with a 50V tail are you?

Generally, I'd probably go to the nearest non-towered field and give the tower a call on the phone once on the ground. That said, if you must land there, the AIM has some guidance.

From 4-2-13
3. Transmitter and receiver inoperative. Remain outside or above the Class D surface area until the direction and flow of traffic has been determined; then, join the airport traffic pattern and maintain visual contact with the tower to receive light signals. Acknowledge light signals as noted above.
 
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I get that, but my question is if you lose everything, including the transponder (so squawking 7600) can't do anything for you) how does ATC know to bust out the light gun and get you in. That section from the AIM seems to just assume ATC will flash the light gun for you. I'm sure I'm missing something.

It's a 12v 172, and around Winnipeg, there aren't really many options of uncontrolled fields like we have in the states
 
On foreflight it does. I'm from the US, here for a project, and for the most part procedures are the same. With the work I do I have to call them before I fly so the numbers were in my phone. They actually called me asking if I was okay, but it didn't go through.
 
Pretty sure the tower will get the idea when you show up and do as the AIM suggests... Circle in the pattern, at altitude, until you receive light gun signals. The tower will quickly catch on that the guy flying down runway center line every pass at pattern altitude, and ignoring any attempt by the tower to call them on the radio, is probably having some sort of radio issue.
 
Eventually that's what I did. I called Winnipeg and they pretty much echoed that. They said what I did was pretty much what they wanted to see done, so I'll take it for what that's worth. They said in that instance it pretty much just turns into protection mode for them. There wasn't a litany of procedure for it like what I thought might have been the case. Thanks.
 
Pretty sure the tower will get the idea when you show up and do as the AIM suggests... Circle in the pattern, at altitude, until you receive light gun signals. The tower will quickly catch on that the guy flying down runway center line every pass at pattern altitude, and ignoring any attempt by the tower to call them on the radio, is probably having some sort of radio issue.


This. I had a similar situation about year ago, did exactly that and eventually got a green light when they had moved the other aircraft out of the way.
 
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