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SharkFisher

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To name a couple: Pilots of France Air A340 and SWA 737 survived the crash along with the passengers except for a couple of fatalities. How bad is it when you crash a big jet? Are the pilots pretty much screwed? How much of a difficult situation do they have to face after the incident, and how will it affect their future? (if they are still very young).
 
SharkFisher said:
To name a couple: Pilots of France Air A340 and SWA 737 survived the crash along with the passengers except for a couple of fatalities. How bad is it when you crash a big jet?
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Bad. Real bad. Figure it's one thing to wreck a 2,400 lbs Cessna at 60 knots on approach, and something else entirely to wreck a 161,000 lbs MD-90 at a 140 knot approach speed.

Are the pilots pretty much screwed?
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Depends!

How much of a difficult situation do they have to face after the incident, and how will it affect their future? (if they are still very young).
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Depends, seriously. If you screwed up and hurt someone, you're most likely toast.
 
Thanks Doug. I figured I will see the word "depends." When you say you are toast, you don't mean Shawshank toast do you?
 
SharkFisher said:
Thanks Doug. I figured I will see the word "depends." When you say you are toast, you don't mean Shawshank toast do you?
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probably not shawshank toast unless they could prove drug/alcohol involvment or some kind of gross criminally negligent behavior that contributed to deaths. Civil courts on the other hand.....
 
That's a good question.



Anyone know what became of the SWA crew on that flight last December?


Are they on some sort of leave? Are they flying again? Or worst, are they fired?
 
Some pilots have actually "benefited" from an accident. Like the crew of the DC 10 that landed after an engine exploded and disabled their flight controls so they crash landed it using differential thrust alone. They are relatively famous because it was pretty incredible that they were able to maintain control of the plane.
 
No body benefits from an accident. I thinl Al haynes would rather not be famous then of had to deal with what he had to. Yeah sure he saved alot of lives, but im sure the lives he didnt save must have weighed heavily on him also.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
That's a good question.



Anyone know what became of the SWA crew on that flight last December?


Are they on some sort of leave? Are they flying again? Or worst, are they fired?
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The crew from the Burbank over run was fired but the union got them un fired for something that was clearly pilot error. Yay for unions.
 
Champcar said:
No body benefits from an accident. I thinl Al haynes would rather not be famous then of had to deal with what he had to. Yeah sure he saved alot of lives, but im sure the lives he didnt save must have weighed heavily on him also.
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What I meant was it didn't hurt his career.
 
No body benefits from an accident. I thinl Al haynes would rather not be famous then of had to deal with what he had to. Yeah sure he saved alot of lives, but im sure the lives he didnt save must have weighed heavily on him also.
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That's pretty naive. Of course it's awful for the people who were involved and especially those who lost their lives. But last time I checked they had something called the NTSB. While the NTSB isn't perfect, they do a very thorough job investigating an accident and after a sufficient period of time, they come out with a final summary along with recommendations as to how aviation's safety can be further improved so the same thing does not happen again. You have to give them a lot of credit for helping to make commercial air travel the safest it has ever been and unfortunately as bad as some of these accidents have been the idea is to learn from them and learn how things can be done more safely and efficiently to where the same thing doesn't happen twice.
 
WCAT1918 said:
That's pretty naive. Of course it's awful for the people who were involved and especially those who lost their lives. But last time I checked they had something called the NTSB. While the NTSB isn't perfect, they do a very thorough job investigating an accident and after a sufficient period of time, they come out with a final summary along with recommendations as to how aviation's safety can be further improved so the same thing does not happen again. You have to give them a lot of credit for helping to make commercial air travel the safest it has ever been and unfortunately as bad as some of these accidents have been the idea is to learn from them and learn how things can be done more safely and efficiently to where the same thing doesn't happen twice.
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Wow, im impressed. First off the NTSB has nothing to do with what I was talking about and second your talking NTSB with someone that knows investigators in the field, even worked with one.
 
Killtron2000 said:
What I meant was it didn't hurt his career.
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yea, but you are using a flawed example. The thread is asking "if a pilot screws up and bends metal, what happens" and you are using "a statistical improbability caused a situation the pilot had no control over to occur". apples and oranges.
 
Champcar said:
The crew from the Burbank over run was fired but the union got them un fired for something that was clearly pilot error. Yay for unions.
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Without a union I would probably be unemployed after the DCA versus Jetcareers fiasco from last year.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Without a union I would probably be unemployed after the DCA versus Jetcareers fiasco from last year.
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I know ya broken record:) Im just saying like anything else there are bad sides to everything.
 
Wow, im impressed. First off the NTSB has nothing to do with what I was talking about and second your talking NTSB with someone that knows investigators in the field, even worked with one.
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Well you could have been a little more clearer all you said was nobody benefits from a crash and then talked about that al haynes guy who you said should probably feel guilty he didn't save everyones life during the crash. You could have just said no pilots benefit instead of nobody benefits. O and you know NTSB investigators and have worked with one...damn you got me speechless how do I respond to that...you want a cookie? you want a trophy? lol I don't know what else to say...
 
WCAT1918 said:
Well you could have been a little more clearer all you said was nobody benefits from a crash and then talked about that al haynes guy who you said should probably feel guilty he didn't save everyones life during the crash. You could have just said no pilots benefit instead of nobody benefits. O and you know NTSB investigators and have worked with one...damn you got me speechless how do I respond to that...you want a cookie? you want a trophy? lol I don't know what else to say...
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Well if you would read then you could see a trend that we have been talking about flight crews the whole thread.
 
WCAT1918 said:
Well you could have been a little more clearer all you said was nobody benefits from a crash and then talked about that al haynes guy who you said should probably feel guilty he didn't save everyones life during the crash. You could have just said no pilots benefit instead of nobody benefits. O and you know NTSB investigators and have worked with one...damn you got me speechless how do I respond to that...you want a cookie? you want a trophy? lol I don't know what else to say...
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Huh? Wha?? I dont think Champ said "Al Haynes should feel guilty!" he stated he thinks Mr.Haynes might have some guilt for the people who lost their lives on that flight. Of course no one person gains from a crash but the world of aviation sure does by imposing new regualtions and laws so a particular accident scenario doesnt happen again.
 
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