What's up with 9e

OK, listen people...keep this on the LOW because I could get canned for sharing the following privileged information. I have a friend who is a janitor in Memphis who overheard this one while removing shredded documents from the board room trash cans after a midnight shredding session...



Deal worked out with ALPA to nix the crew rooms. We have to hang out in the food courts, smoke rooms or airport worship rooms. ...or the restrooms if you like to read the paper.
 
mastermags said:
Pinnacle will be rebranding by changing their code to e9.
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Please hot pink paint, please....

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Its going to be a revived version of ATA, like the Pan Am of the 2000's that flopped. And the fleet will be painted in the following design:

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New 8k filed today...

Clock is ticking...Company has till April 2nd to negotiate a new deal with Cal/UAL or they will start returning Q's and Saabs until they are no mas....

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From what I can tell, if there's no long term agreement reached by April 2nd, expect and RFP to be tossed out on Colgan's flying. Enter Skywest. It's no secret they've wanted a Q400 operation for a while. Hell, I say we sell them Colgan and call it done myself.
 
B200 Hawk said:
I took the news as positive o_O just me?
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I think so as well. It shows that either

1)CAL/United wants to work on a long term deal with PNCL

or

2)CAL/United has no intention on a long term deal, they are just using this to buy time in order to get someone else to cover the flying when they start to phase out the props.

I think it is more of option 1, than option 2...say 70/30..

My prediction is Qs get a new contract and Saabs will be phased out like Mesaba's Saabs with Delta. I can not imagine the Saabs ever being profitable with a new CPA given the high operating/training costs associated with them. Training on the Saab is a revolving door and the company would need United to help with that, can't see that happening. Honestly, I think we all knew that the Saab's days were numbered.
 
kellwolf said:
From what I can tell, if there's no long term agreement reached by April 2nd, expect and RFP to be tossed out on Colgan's flying. Enter Skywest. It's no secret they've wanted a Q400 operation for a while. Hell, I say we sell them Colgan and call it done myself.
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Not that easy to do under our scope provision. You cant just carve out Colgan aircraft and their pilots and say "You are now all going to SkyWest now."
 
The Juice said:
Not that easy to do under our scope provision. You cant just carve out Colgan aircraft and their pilots and say "You are now all going to SkyWest now."
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Easy? No. Spelled out in Section 1? Yes. It's there in black and white how to do it. Basically, whoever buys a portion or Pinnacle Corp (ie Mesaba if we're talking the Saabs and Qs), is bound to honor the agreement. It even states that pilots on the seniority list employed by the affected airline "at the time" are the ones that are involved. Basically, that means if you're flying on the ColganAba certificate, you're involved if they decide to sell that portion. They're also required to keep the pilots since it's more than 4% of the company. It's possible. There are just hoops to jump through.

Edit: Not sure what the point of the 4% language it. It says "excluding another Airline" when it comes to purchasing part of the company, but it's under the header "Partial Asset Transfer." The Successorship language is the main party. Basically, it says they CAN sell off part, but the buyer has to agree in writing to honor the JCBA as well as take ALPA with the airline.
 
kellwolf said:
Easy? No. Spelled out in Section 1? Yes. It's there in black and white how to do it. Basically, whoever buys a portion or Pinnacle Corp (ie Mesaba if we're talking the Saabs and Qs), is bound to honor the agreement. It even states that pilots on the seniority list employed by the affected airline "at the time" are the ones that are involved. Basically, that means if you're flying on the ColganAba certificate, you're involved if they decide to sell that portion. They're also required to keep the pilots since it's more than 4% of the company. It's possible. There are just hoops to jump through.

Edit: Not sure what the point of the 4% language it. It says "excluding another Airline" when it comes to purchasing part of the company, but it's under the header "Partial Asset Transfer." The Successorship language is the main party. Basically, it says they CAN sell off part, but the buyer has to agree in writing to honor the JCBA as well as take ALPA with the airline.
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Also, it says regarding the 4%..

In any case, no Pilot shall be required to transfer with the aircraft. Section 24 will apply to any position changes that occur as a consequence of the partial asset transfer.

So I understand this to possibly mean that a Colgan pilot does not have to go with the aircraft and he will then have displacement rights under section 24, ie going to a jet position if they can hold it under section 24. This is what I meant by "not that easy," this could start a big crap storm.

Lets just wait and see what happens...
 
Either way, it's going to big a big "crap storm" if they can't get a long term deal re-negotiated. For every Q person that says "Nah, I'm going to the jet" there would likely be a Saab person that says "Heck, not only will I get paid more for sticking with the operation, I'll get more seniority, too."

If United starts taking away flying, it's possible that section could kick in anyway since it's less than 4%. Either way, you're going to see displacements and furloughs with Section 24. The question is if the union can get the pilots to stick with the planes if it's deemed an "asset transfer." Who owns the leases on the Qs and Saabs? My bet is the company will come to the table begging for an LOA if it comes down to it.
 
kellwolf said:
Easy? No. Spelled out in Section 1? Yes. It's there in black and white how to do it. Basically, whoever buys a portion or Pinnacle Corp (ie Mesaba if we're talking the Saabs and Qs), is bound to honor the agreement. It even states that pilots on the seniority list employed by the affected airline "at the time" are the ones that are involved. Basically, that means if you're flying on the ColganAba certificate, you're involved if they decide to sell that portion. They're also required to keep the pilots since it's more than 4% of the company. It's possible. There are just hoops to jump through.

Edit: Not sure what the point of the 4% language it. It says "excluding another Airline" when it comes to purchasing part of the company, but it's under the header "Partial Asset Transfer." The Successorship language is the main party. Basically, it says they CAN sell off part, but the buyer has to agree in writing to honor the JCBA as well as take ALPA with the airline.
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How many pilots are on the IAH saab?

Is there any part of the contract language that addresses selling aggregate amounts over time that would in themselves never exceed 4% but in total might be more than that?
 
sherpa said:
How many pilots are on the IAH saab?

Is there any part of the contract language that addresses selling aggregate amounts over time that would in themselves never exceed 4% but in total might be more than that?
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I know it references 12 months for the 4%, to prevent them trying to sell it off 1 airplane at a time.

The joys of a contract and decent scope language
 
kellwolf said:
From what I can tell, if there's no long term agreement reached by April 2nd, expect and RFP to be tossed out on Colgan's flying. Enter Skywest. It's no secret they've wanted a Q400 operation for a while. Hell, I say we sell them Colgan and call it done myself.
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Sadly I have been thinking the same thing and the faster the better(ie before all the 11-09 training bankrupts us). However I don't think it would ever happen.
 
The Juice said:
Not that easy to do under our scope provision. You cant just carve out Colgan aircraft and their pilots and say "You are now all going to SkyWest now."
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.... It's also one list. If we sell Colgan, it won't be just Colgan pilots going. It will be the bottom on the list guys going.

I think. Someone correct me if I'm bogus here.
 
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