What's the coolest thing you've done in an airplane?

AMG said, in part:
...That transition takes a conscious change in interactions and everything else, but it also requires time and experience.
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It requires maturity and good sense. 'Going along with the crowd' requires neither.

More power to the people changing this. Waaaaay overdue.
 
///AMG said:
Some of the stuff that allegedly happened that weekend was unacceptable for any man to do,...
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To me, that's the end of any reasonable discussion. Does anything more really need to be said?

I've gone out plenty of nights with the bros and witnessed that savage mentality that always seems to pop up when we get together as guys and have a few drinks. It's a mob mentality that seems to hinge on proving your heterosexuality to any man present by treating women like cheap property, and I've never really cared for it.

If you (not you personally, just dudes in general) wouldn't act that way in front of your mother, your wife, or your daughter, but you do it with the bros, then you lack integrity and probably don't deserve anyone's respect. Just my opinion.
 
FloridaLarry said:
AMG said, in part:


It requires maturity and good sense. 'Going along with the crowd' requires neither.

More power to the people changing this. Waaaaay overdue.
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I'm not defending it, and I think you are also not understanding what I'm trying to convey. Wrong or right, you have an organization that is used to behaving in one way that was perfectly acceptable without women present (and I'm not talking about anything criminal here, just typical banter/interactions between guys), and then you throw in women. They have every right to be there, so obviously the correct answer is to respect them and change, but that hasn't always happened. Such is the crux of the problem. Dumb guys just don't understand those boundaries, nor do they understand how to behave. I'd say they are in the minority now, but to be honest, as a pretty progressive kind of guy, I'd still probably insult someone at work if there were girls around (which there aren't among pilots anyway). Rape/sexual assault/sexual harassment is always unacceptable anywhere, but there is a grey area that we continue to struggle with that is just a function of guys not even being conscious of the fact that their behavior is offensive to (some) members of the fairer sex.
 
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Cal Goat said:
To me, that's the end of any reasonable discussion. Does anything more really need to be said?
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My point was that Hook 91 was a fiasco that has no defense, but that a lot of the stuff you hear now is not as cut and dry. A girl gets attrited from flight school and suddenly it is a case of discrimination. I saw that personally. And it was absolutely not.....she was just that bad (in the jet), and had an equally bad attitude about it. She isn't representative of women in aviation, but outliers like her speak much more loudly than the ones that do just fine and are accepted into the community as respected equals.
 
I just about puked in the airplane that I was flying. Not sure what that's worth, but it was quite a terrible feeling. And weird. To be the one flying, and have my stomach start trying to turn itself inside out when I felt perfectly fine. Would've made for great story telling, though. I think I experienced what would be defined as "SEVERE" turbulence.
 
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ryanmickG said:
It is. If the pilot doesn't know what they are doing, and considering he was so excited he was upside down that he had to take a pic so he could put it on Facebook (I assume) than my guess is he probably doesn't know what he is doing.

I am not an airplane nerd so I don't know what aircraft that is, but if it is non aerobatic than he should probably fly it like the manufacturer intended.

I don't mind people doing stupid crap in airplanes as long as they don't have passengers when they become smoking holes.
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Yeah I'm a nancy...I'd never even think about putting one of ours upside down. Then again after wrenching on the things for 3 years I'm way too well acquainted with just how little actually holds them together.
 
AMG Said (in part):
...but there is a grey area that we continue to struggle with that is just a function of guys not even being conscious of the fact that their behavior is offensive to (some) members of the fairer sex.
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...the ones that do just fine and are accepted into the community as respected equals.
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AMG gets it, well above the average for the group he's representing here. But a group that expects women to rub ice on their nipples, and puke along with the guys is NOT elevating the average. Progress, yes, but there's no reason not to expect something a lot closer to perfection.

In the cockpit (perhaps there should be a better term, at least in this discussion :rolleyes:) like many parts of the workplace, women have had to be "better" just to get what they've earned. Threading through a macho gauntlet of either tactile or verbal groping shouldn't be necessary.
 
FloridaLarry said:
In the cockpit (perhaps there should be a better term, at least in this discussion :rolleyes:) like many parts of the workplace, women have had to be "better" just to get what they've earned. Threading through a macho gauntlet of either tactile or verbal groping shouldn't be necessary.
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As far as women having to be better, it's been a mixed bag. It took the Hultgreen case for the Navy to get its act together and insist on applying standards equally.
 
Speaking of which, tonight is night two of the 2013 Tailhook Reunion if anyone is in Reno/the Nugget.
 
I would like to update the coolest thing I've done in a plane. Yeah, I posted it in the photo forum, but still :D



Anybody who likes planes should really do this. I'm sure driving there is fun, but you can't beat flying!
 
Nothing really new here, but I would say the first time I really understood what the airplane could do and how i could actually fly it, was the first time I did some spin training in a 152 during my ppl lessons over lake Champlain in VT. That, and flying through a rainbow back to BTV on the way home. I will never forget it.
 
Roger Roger said:
Yeah I'm a nancy...I'd never even think about putting one of ours upside down.
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Upside down. Right side up. The plane has no idea. In the abstract, the only limiting factors are the stresses imposed on the aircraft by the yoke-actuator, the viscosity of the air (compressible liquid), the volatility of the air (turbulence), and the ground. See also: Bob Hoover, Fedex 705
 
thevideographer said:
I'm sure driving there is fun, but you can't beat flying!
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Driving might have got you there faster than the 152! HAAAYOH!

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Boris Badenov said:
Upside down. Right side up. The plane has no idea. In the abstract, the only limiting factors are the stresses imposed on the aircraft by the yoke-actuator, the viscosity of the air (compressible liquid), the volatility of the air (turbulence), and the ground. See also: Bob Hoover, Fedex 705
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While that is true, I'm more afraid that I in my hackishness would drop the thing out of the roll and have to pull a considerable amount of Gs on the recovery.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Upside down. Right side up. The plane has no idea. In the abstract, the only limiting factors are the stresses imposed on the aircraft by the yoke-actuator, the viscosity of the air (compressible liquid), the volatility of the air (turbulence), and the ground. See also: Bob Hoover, Fedex 705
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Doing it in some airplanes(piper warrior) will break the attitude indicator though. :)
 
Boris Badenov said:
IS THAT THE VOICE OF EXPERIENCE I HEAR? ;)
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Nope! I was straight edge as they come back then, and in the worst way. No thinking or having fun. Just a by the book drone. In a Cessna! :bounce: I woke up later on...

A CFI was doing clearing ROLLS with students at UND. Maintenance noticed one particular instructor was writing up attitude indicators a bit too often. They took one a part to find the gyro busted off of it's gyros and upside down. I don't know if this is correct, but in their opinion there was only ONE way that could happen and that was the plane being upside down at some point. Ultimately, I believe they caught him through a bluff and he spilled the beans on himself.
 
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