Whats 'reserve"?
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Re: Whats \'reserve\"?
Also, a company may have what's called 'long call' and 'short call' reserve.
Short call is where you could have a pretty quick call-out time, like 2 hours. If they called you while you're on short call, you'd have to be able to make it to sign in within 2 hours.
Long call gives you more time, like 12 hours. Gives you a little more advance notice. Which is nice for commuting.
Airport reserve sucks. Sitting in the crew lounge picking your nose for 6-12 hours (depending on how long a shift your company has) is SO mind-bogglingly dull.
Also, a company may have what's called 'long call' and 'short call' reserve.
Short call is where you could have a pretty quick call-out time, like 2 hours. If they called you while you're on short call, you'd have to be able to make it to sign in within 2 hours.
Long call gives you more time, like 12 hours. Gives you a little more advance notice. Which is nice for commuting.
Airport reserve sucks. Sitting in the crew lounge picking your nose for 6-12 hours (depending on how long a shift your company has) is SO mind-bogglingly dull.
Maximilian_Jenius
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Re: Whats \'reserve\"?
Damn someone is a size queen...and yes to your answer!
Let me explain something to you. If you flew the 757 for CO and you were pretty senior and get any schedule you wanted. Then you had the senority to bid the 777.
You would first sit reserve before you could hold a line because though you were senior on the 757 your junior on the 777.
It's the way the industry works!
-Matthew
Damn someone is a size queen...and yes to your answer!
Let me explain something to you. If you flew the 757 for CO and you were pretty senior and get any schedule you wanted. Then you had the senority to bid the 777.
You would first sit reserve before you could hold a line because though you were senior on the 757 your junior on the 777.
It's the way the industry works!
-Matthew
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Re: Whats \'reserve\"?
Depends on seniority and how tight the staffing is. If you're a junior 777 captain, you could be sitting reserve for a LOOONG time. This is why you will see a lot of guys stay FOs instead of upgrading ASAP. This way they can skip the captain reserve troubles. As far as FOs, if the airline is short of pilots (like XJT was last year), you might never sit reserve. If there are more pilots than hard lines, you might be sitting reserve for a while.
Depends on seniority and how tight the staffing is. If you're a junior 777 captain, you could be sitting reserve for a LOOONG time. This is why you will see a lot of guys stay FOs instead of upgrading ASAP. This way they can skip the captain reserve troubles. As far as FOs, if the airline is short of pilots (like XJT was last year), you might never sit reserve. If there are more pilots than hard lines, you might be sitting reserve for a while.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Re: Whats \'reserve\"?
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You would first sit reserve before you could hold a line because though you were senior on the 757 your junior on the 777.
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Not sure, but I think with most carriers seniority follows you from airframe to airframe. You don't start over just b/c you move from a 757 to a 777. So, if there's 10 guys with later hire dates when you move over from the 757 and 10 reserve lines, you get the hard line since you were hired before the other guys. I think that's why a lot of contracts have "seat lock" provisions in them.
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You would first sit reserve before you could hold a line because though you were senior on the 757 your junior on the 777.
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Not sure, but I think with most carriers seniority follows you from airframe to airframe. You don't start over just b/c you move from a 757 to a 777. So, if there's 10 guys with later hire dates when you move over from the 757 and 10 reserve lines, you get the hard line since you were hired before the other guys. I think that's why a lot of contracts have "seat lock" provisions in them.
Maximilian_Jenius
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Re: Whats \'reserve\"?
Eh! your prolly right Kells!
-Matthew
Eh! your prolly right Kells!
-Matthew
Re: Whats \'reserve\"?
Correct me if I'm wrong but if you were a line holder of say 767 international out of JFK for Delta you wouldn't be at the airport for very long though even on reserve, since the Trans-Atlantic flights all leave in a relatively compact time period in the early evening!! Whereas 737,MD88s, 757 would be in and out all day, making for a potentially very tiresome airport sit.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if you were a line holder of say 767 international out of JFK for Delta you wouldn't be at the airport for very long though even on reserve, since the Trans-Atlantic flights all leave in a relatively compact time period in the early evening!! Whereas 737,MD88s, 757 would be in and out all day, making for a potentially very tiresome airport sit.
Re: Whats \'reserve\"?
A couple of points.
As a line holder, you're not sitting reserve. There are "lines of time" and "reserve lines".
Additionally, you're not sitting reserve at the airport but you've got to be within 2 and up to 12 hours away from reporting from duty when crew scheduling calls you. Even the international categories have irregularities which might lead to a call up long before or after the international push. Especially for flights down to Central or South America
Some airlines have a 'ready reserve' where the person is at the airport, but I know nothing about it.
A couple of points.
As a line holder, you're not sitting reserve. There are "lines of time" and "reserve lines".
Additionally, you're not sitting reserve at the airport but you've got to be within 2 and up to 12 hours away from reporting from duty when crew scheduling calls you. Even the international categories have irregularities which might lead to a call up long before or after the international push. Especially for flights down to Central or South America
Some airlines have a 'ready reserve' where the person is at the airport, but I know nothing about it.
Ralgha
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Re: Whats \'reserve\"?
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Not sure, but I think with most carriers seniority follows you from airframe to airframe. You don't start over just b/c you move from a 757 to a 777. So, if there's 10 guys with later hire dates when you move over from the 757 and 10 reserve lines, you get the hard line since you were hired before the other guys. I think that's why a lot of contracts have "seat lock" provisions in them.
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Your overall company seniority won't change, but generally the larger airplanes have more senior pilots flying them, so you will probably be bidding more junior on the 777 than the 757, and thus may be forced to sit reserve.
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Not sure, but I think with most carriers seniority follows you from airframe to airframe. You don't start over just b/c you move from a 757 to a 777. So, if there's 10 guys with later hire dates when you move over from the 757 and 10 reserve lines, you get the hard line since you were hired before the other guys. I think that's why a lot of contracts have "seat lock" provisions in them.
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Your overall company seniority won't change, but generally the larger airplanes have more senior pilots flying them, so you will probably be bidding more junior on the 777 than the 757, and thus may be forced to sit reserve.
SharkFisher
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Re: Whats \'reserve\"?
Ok so assume I got hired by a regional. Do I have to first be a reserve for a certain period before I get a "permanent" schedule? I know American Eagle puts new pilots for a period of 6-12 on reserve.
Ok so assume I got hired by a regional. Do I have to first be a reserve for a certain period before I get a "permanent" schedule? I know American Eagle puts new pilots for a period of 6-12 on reserve.
EatSleepFly
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Re: Whats \'reserve\"?
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I know American Eagle puts new pilots for a period of 6-12 on reserve.
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Not necessarily. You're on reserve until you can hold a line at that base and in that particular type. I don't think it happens too often at Eagle lately, but it's been possible in the past to get a line right out of training and not sit reserve. My sim partner (who was upgrading to CA) when I was in training, had never sat reserve in all of his 6+ years there, until he upgraded.
Airport reserve (aka "ready reserve"), at Eagle consists of being at the airport for 6 hour blocks. There's three a day, if I remember right it was something like 0400 to 1000, 1000 to 1600, 1600-0000 (might be different now, or a little off, but that was the general idea). If you fly, cool...if not, you just wasted six hours of your day sitting around the airport.
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I know American Eagle puts new pilots for a period of 6-12 on reserve.
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Not necessarily. You're on reserve until you can hold a line at that base and in that particular type. I don't think it happens too often at Eagle lately, but it's been possible in the past to get a line right out of training and not sit reserve. My sim partner (who was upgrading to CA) when I was in training, had never sat reserve in all of his 6+ years there, until he upgraded.
Airport reserve (aka "ready reserve"), at Eagle consists of being at the airport for 6 hour blocks. There's three a day, if I remember right it was something like 0400 to 1000, 1000 to 1600, 1600-0000 (might be different now, or a little off, but that was the general idea). If you fly, cool...if not, you just wasted six hours of your day sitting around the airport.
ComplexHiAv8r
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If you fly, cool...if not, you just wasted six hours of your day sitting around the airport.
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Aren't you paid to be on reserves, or if you actually fly your min monthly its free time to them for you to sit on reserves?
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If you fly, cool...if not, you just wasted six hours of your day sitting around the airport.
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Aren't you paid to be on reserves, or if you actually fly your min monthly its free time to them for you to sit on reserves?
Alchemy
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Re: Whats \'reserve\"?
At Expressjet reserve can mean a variety of things.
Most reserve schedules require you to be within 2 hrs of the airport on 4 or 5 days out of the week during your "call time". Call times are usually 16 hours out of the day, for instance, my last call time was 12PM to 4AM. Before noon or after 4 AM, I was not required to be within 2 hrs of the airport.
I usually worked weekends, so I'd show up to my crashpad on friday morning and just hang around until scheduling called. There were a few times where I was at the crashpad for four days straight, sitting with my phone, but never got called in to work.
We also have "long-call" reserve, which is similair to what I described above, except you only have to be within 8 hours of the airport. Also, you don't get a "call time" so they can make you show up at any time on long-call, as long as they give you 8 hrs notice. Only 10% of the "reserve lines" are long call, so the most senior reservists usually get this.
Last but not least we have "airport standby". If you are assigned airport standby, you are required to be at the airport in uniform. For us, it lasts 6 hrs. The shortest callout I got on airport standby was 15 minutes. Luckily, scheduling could only assign airport standby to a pilot 6 times per month. You can be assigned this duty regardless of whether you are a long call reservist or regular reservist. You are paid the same hourly rate as you would be for flying when you sit airport standby.
All in all, reserve was not too bad. It lasted 4 months for me in Houston, and things went pretty smoothly for the most part. It was rare to be called for a trip with the minimum notice, most of the time any trip assignment I recieved would be posted on the company website 12 hours in advance.
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Aren't you paid to be on reserves, or if you actually fly your min monthly its free time to them for you to sit on reserves?
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We were only paid our hourly rate for aiport standby. Even that didn't really matter, because FO's were pretty well staffed and very few broke the 75 hour guarantee while on reserve. Captains on the other hand were flying a lot, some guys I talked too were getting 90 to 100 hours a month on reserve.
At Expressjet reserve can mean a variety of things.
Most reserve schedules require you to be within 2 hrs of the airport on 4 or 5 days out of the week during your "call time". Call times are usually 16 hours out of the day, for instance, my last call time was 12PM to 4AM. Before noon or after 4 AM, I was not required to be within 2 hrs of the airport.
I usually worked weekends, so I'd show up to my crashpad on friday morning and just hang around until scheduling called. There were a few times where I was at the crashpad for four days straight, sitting with my phone, but never got called in to work.
We also have "long-call" reserve, which is similair to what I described above, except you only have to be within 8 hours of the airport. Also, you don't get a "call time" so they can make you show up at any time on long-call, as long as they give you 8 hrs notice. Only 10% of the "reserve lines" are long call, so the most senior reservists usually get this.
Last but not least we have "airport standby". If you are assigned airport standby, you are required to be at the airport in uniform. For us, it lasts 6 hrs. The shortest callout I got on airport standby was 15 minutes. Luckily, scheduling could only assign airport standby to a pilot 6 times per month. You can be assigned this duty regardless of whether you are a long call reservist or regular reservist. You are paid the same hourly rate as you would be for flying when you sit airport standby.
All in all, reserve was not too bad. It lasted 4 months for me in Houston, and things went pretty smoothly for the most part. It was rare to be called for a trip with the minimum notice, most of the time any trip assignment I recieved would be posted on the company website 12 hours in advance.
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Aren't you paid to be on reserves, or if you actually fly your min monthly its free time to them for you to sit on reserves?
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We were only paid our hourly rate for aiport standby. Even that didn't really matter, because FO's were pretty well staffed and very few broke the 75 hour guarantee while on reserve. Captains on the other hand were flying a lot, some guys I talked too were getting 90 to 100 hours a month on reserve.
