What's punishment for busting D airspace?

Mavmb

Mavmb

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What\'s punishment for busting D airspace?

Just wondering what happens to pilots when they accidently fly into Class Delta airspace without calling first?

I fly in the Phoenix area and last year any pilot that busted Class Delta was told, "Call tower for possible pilot deviation."

Now this year things seem to be different. Now when someone busts the airspace they just get yelled at by the tower. It happened twice this week on the frequences. The controllers chewed their butts out and the embarrassed pilots just responded with their tail number and "Roger."
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I think it's up to the affected ATC agency, ie- the particular tower/controller.

BTW, unless they have a BRITE scope feed or their own radar, how would they really know if you skirt their D. Obviously, I don't mean getting within 1 mile of the field, or right over it at 2000 AGL, for example.
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Just wondering what happens to pilots when they accidently fly into Class Delta airspace without calling first?

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Instant castration and the lost of your first born....
 
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It depends on the controller and what kind of mood he/she is in. You CAN get a citation for busting any airspace without proper entry requirements, or breaking any FAR for that matter, but generally if you are polite the controller will most likely chew you out and slap you on the wrist. I was monitoring approach one day and overheard someone bust Bravo without clearance and got off with a lecture about class B entry requirements. Also a few times I've been on ground frequency and overheard pilots taxi without clearance, even taxi across active runways without clearance and got off with a swift kick in the butt by the controller. Moral of the story - be polite to the controllers, even if they are rude to you. They have the power to really screw you over. If they have it in for you, they can find some reason to cite you, but if you are polite they may cut you some slack even if you do something wrong.
 
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I have not heard anything more then a phone call and a small rebuke from the controller.
 
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Instant castration and the lost of your first born....

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When I first saw this post i thought the same exact thing, damn you beat me to the punch!
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A couple months ago I was on an IFR flight plan with an instrument student shooting an ILS approach (KSAC). As we were approaching the outer marker, ATC told us we had traffic 1 o'clock, 1 mile, altitude unknown. I let the student take the foggles off to help look for traffic, student saw traffic and did an abrupt nose over. We missed the other aircraft by about 40 feet. In this case, altitude unknown was 1500ft. Either didn't have the Xponder on, not on ALT, or mode C was inop. Also, he was cutting the edge of the class D airspace, he was inside and not talking to tower. I notified tower of the near collision, and they followed his little blip to his destination. I don't know what happened to the guy, but I wouldn't want to be him.
 
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I don't know what happened to the guy, but I wouldn't want to be him.

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As far as I know ATC is supposed to separate IFR traffic only. They don't have to provide separation between IFR and VFR a/c in VFR conditions.

They probably followed the guy and then scolded him over the phone. The responsibility for looking out was still yours.
 
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I don't know what happened to the guy, but I wouldn't want to be him.

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As far as I know ATC is supposed to separate IFR traffic only. They don't have to provide separation between IFR and VFR a/c in VFR conditions.

They probably followed the guy and then scolded him over the phone. The responsibility for looking out was still yours.

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Yeah, it's still my responsibility to look out for him, and that's why we missed him. He still shouldn't have been in Class D airspace w/o talking to tower. He was in a newer C172, so he had to have had a mode C Xponder. Either it wasn't on ALT or it was broken. I don't think the FAA cares much for pilots busting airspace and nearly causing a mid air while doing so.
 
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