What's going on with Ari-Ben?
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This is a quote from where I got it, but it was all over the news.
"U.S. lawmakers who backed the higher retirement age wanted to speed up the change to prevent more pilots from retiring. An average of five per day reached the age-60 retirement age, according to the Air Transport Association airline trade group."
I think 3 out of 5 will stay if not more and if you don't think that is going to slow down the hiring rate then you are crazy.
The majors will be pulling less people up from the regionals so the regionals will be pulling less people up from the schools which means there are going to be a lot more instructors. Things like this all roll downhill. Hiring times could go right back up to 1500 and an ATP again over the next year.
"U.S. lawmakers who backed the higher retirement age wanted to speed up the change to prevent more pilots from retiring. An average of five per day reached the age-60 retirement age, according to the Air Transport Association airline trade group."
I think 3 out of 5 will stay if not more and if you don't think that is going to slow down the hiring rate then you are crazy.
The majors will be pulling less people up from the regionals so the regionals will be pulling less people up from the schools which means there are going to be a lot more instructors. Things like this all roll downhill. Hiring times could go right back up to 1500 and an ATP again over the next year.
from ALPA:
White House Signs Age 65 into Law
Bill includes ALPA Executive Board Recommendations
In the late evening of December 13, President Bush signed into law a bill to raise the mandatory retirement age for U.S. pilots to 65. Days before, both the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representatives unanimously approved H.R.4343. (To read Age 65: How it Works, please click here.)
“ALPA appreciates President Bush for swiftly signing this piece of legislation into law. With the inclusion of ALPA’s recommendations, it will protect the piloting profession in the face of a change that was certain to come, given the harmonization with the International Civil Aviation Organization standard,” Capt. John Prater said.
“I am pleased to report to our members that, pursuant to the decision by ALPA’s Executive Board to change ALPA’s policy on Age 60 in the face of legislation to change the mandatory retirement age that was rapidly moving through Congress, your union’s leaders exerted extensive influence on the legislation that is now law. The bill’s language to raise the upper age limit for airline pilots to 65 is consistent with ALPA’s Executive Board resolution and directive adopted on May 23. It represents months of hard work, both from fellow pilots and our government affairs department, which produced a tangible result.”
White House Signs Age 65 into Law
Bill includes ALPA Executive Board Recommendations
In the late evening of December 13, President Bush signed into law a bill to raise the mandatory retirement age for U.S. pilots to 65. Days before, both the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representatives unanimously approved H.R.4343. (To read Age 65: How it Works, please click here.)
“ALPA appreciates President Bush for swiftly signing this piece of legislation into law. With the inclusion of ALPA’s recommendations, it will protect the piloting profession in the face of a change that was certain to come, given the harmonization with the International Civil Aviation Organization standard,” Capt. John Prater said.
“I am pleased to report to our members that, pursuant to the decision by ALPA’s Executive Board to change ALPA’s policy on Age 60 in the face of legislation to change the mandatory retirement age that was rapidly moving through Congress, your union’s leaders exerted extensive influence on the legislation that is now law. The bill’s language to raise the upper age limit for airline pilots to 65 is consistent with ALPA’s Executive Board resolution and directive adopted on May 23. It represents months of hard work, both from fellow pilots and our government affairs department, which produced a tangible result.”
Cactus_Cutter
Well-Known Member
The new hires will have more time than the existing 1-2 year FO...
Scuba
New Member
So it sounds like there are many alumni who love Ariben, but there are some problems now.
I love the prices, the program, and the financing options that they have.
Location seems great, but there are a ton of threads about people leaving due to a lack of flight time.
If I want to go here I should probably apply now eh?
Also, the program is rated for 4 months for example with a set price. If you get done in six due to flying will one have to pay extra for housing?'
Thanks
I love the prices, the program, and the financing options that they have.
Location seems great, but there are a ton of threads about people leaving due to a lack of flight time.
If I want to go here I should probably apply now eh?
Also, the program is rated for 4 months for example with a set price. If you get done in six due to flying will one have to pay extra for housing?'
Thanks
Mark815
Well-Known Member
Me and a buddy were there for a month and a half when we decided to leave. I acquired 16hrs multi, and my buddy less than 7, and neither of us got a multi engine rating, it was ridiculous. maintenance was a disaster, scheduling was a mess, and it just wasn't a very professional operation in my opinion. They don't guarentee anything as far as time, just an estimate of what it would take, i wouldn't be suprised if a 4month program took closer to a year at the pace people were going when i was there. If you're living with them you pay for the housing monthly, if they quote you 4 months,and stay for 9months, you pay for the 9
PlayaSteelo
New Member
What a shame!! Ari-Ben had caught my attention back in August 07 & I visited there facility in November 07. Everyone I talked to was real nice but I left with more questions than answers.
First, I had made my appointment in advance for a specific date and time. When I got there I had to wait a little more than 40 minutes so they could find an instructor who was not busy and could give me a tour.
Second, there appeared to be no organization as far as the set-up. Everything seemed to be cluttered, and I was especially surprised how the scheduling is done. Mostly with pencil and paper, not for nothing but even my small FBO has a computer based scheduling program which can help avoid confrontations about instructor or plane scheduling.
Third, I also asked about the time frame for completion and there response was "It could be done in 90 days but the average was 5 months" which I had no problem with. But when I asked if they could guarantee me a minimum # of flight hours per week to complete the program in the average time, they said no because of MX & WX. That’s understandable up to a certain extent, WX is not that bad in Fort Pierce, FL but the true question is, is there MX that horrible? If it is they should resolve it and not rely on customers to support them for a continuous issue.
Last but not least, when I was speaking with the CFI she was describing the program as being so good that they were expecting 200 + new Indian students in the beginning of January 08. Whether or not that’s true I don’t know, but it was definitely not a selling point to me considering the student to a/c ratio.
If I could only ask one question to Ari-Ben's management, I would like to know why they do not invest in more (not necessarily new) but more multi engine a/c to accommodate the large amount of students?
I would love to see Ari-Ben shape up because all-in all "they have the best bang for the buck" like Mike said.
Any comments welcome.
First, I had made my appointment in advance for a specific date and time. When I got there I had to wait a little more than 40 minutes so they could find an instructor who was not busy and could give me a tour.
Second, there appeared to be no organization as far as the set-up. Everything seemed to be cluttered, and I was especially surprised how the scheduling is done. Mostly with pencil and paper, not for nothing but even my small FBO has a computer based scheduling program which can help avoid confrontations about instructor or plane scheduling.
Third, I also asked about the time frame for completion and there response was "It could be done in 90 days but the average was 5 months" which I had no problem with. But when I asked if they could guarantee me a minimum # of flight hours per week to complete the program in the average time, they said no because of MX & WX. That’s understandable up to a certain extent, WX is not that bad in Fort Pierce, FL but the true question is, is there MX that horrible? If it is they should resolve it and not rely on customers to support them for a continuous issue.
Last but not least, when I was speaking with the CFI she was describing the program as being so good that they were expecting 200 + new Indian students in the beginning of January 08. Whether or not that’s true I don’t know, but it was definitely not a selling point to me considering the student to a/c ratio.
If I could only ask one question to Ari-Ben's management, I would like to know why they do not invest in more (not necessarily new) but more multi engine a/c to accommodate the large amount of students?
I would love to see Ari-Ben shape up because all-in all "they have the best bang for the buck" like Mike said.
Any comments welcome.
200? huh? anyone remember PanAm when they were still there? That was a mess.
This is one of the best posts I've seen from a prospective student on these boards. You pretty much nailed what AriBen is... Its the best bang you will get for your buck- you will leave with a ton of multi time and all your ratings in a reasonable amount of time for a reasonable price. However, the place is a mess and management operates on a "just enough to keep the place from imploding" philosophy when it comes to planning/logistics. It is what it is...thats basically it.
If I could only ask one question to Ari-Ben's management, I would like to know why they do not invest in more (not necessarily new) but more multi engine a/c to accommodate the large amount of students?
I would love to see Ari-Ben shape up because all-in all "they have the best bang for the buck" like Mike said.
Any comments welcome.[/quote]
I heard that there are 3-4 new airplanes that will be coming very soon. It is getting better and you cannot get all of this multi time and ratings done so quickly anywhere else. The program at Ariben is very good. I don't have second thoughts.
I would love to see Ari-Ben shape up because all-in all "they have the best bang for the buck" like Mike said.
Any comments welcome.[/quote]
I heard that there are 3-4 new airplanes that will be coming very soon. It is getting better and you cannot get all of this multi time and ratings done so quickly anywhere else. The program at Ariben is very good. I don't have second thoughts.
SmitteyB
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THIS IS ONLY OPINION AND IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK ON ARIBEN AVIATOR INC.
I can answer this for you. Mike (owner) has no payments on those airplanes. He buys wrecked airplanes and puts an HSI and DME in them and throws them online. Why doesn't he invest in more airplanes? Because is costs money.
He can persuade potential students to come there and make them sign the contract. Oh you don't like it here? Fine leave, but give me $3000 first. Believe me- I paid the penalty, because I broke it.
Cactus_Cutter
Well-Known Member
200? A while back didn’t they have problems with 2 Indian students? Busting check rides left and right nearly causing a FISDO investigation on the poor instructor credentials who had them… Oh well at least the DPEs will rake in the $$$ with all the re-takes…
LoadMasterC141
Well-Known Member
:yeahthat:I agree with you wholeheartedly, LoadMaster.
Matter of fact, before a statement is made like that, I'd ask him to substantiate it given the contradiction from others who have posted above him.
Additionally, many other organizations say the same thing from those who have completed their courses. Has he completed his? Just a question. . .
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
What type of contract was this?
A "I'm a student, and I promise not to leave" contract?
And if you break it, you owe him $3000?
What the #### - who is the customer in this deal?
. . .and again. Although I can't speak for Surreal1221, I'm fairly confident he'll say his organization provided quality training for the dollar. . .and he's completed his course.