Whats going on here at FSA??

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C5crewChief;989507 At Paris said:
their instructors are just as knowledgeable as the CFI's at FlightSafety and the schedule is made up a week in advance. As for cost, it's a lot cheaper than FSA. No worries about spending over $100K for flight training. The $25K I spent in step two was enough for me to realize it was way overpriced. The Piper Senacas run $265/hr dual at Paris compared to FlighSafety Seminole at $339/hr dual.
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Alot of the Paris air instructors trained at fsa, and i believe the owner was ex fsa...

is Dan W, Jenny H, or Peter working over there still?
 
C5crewChief said:
Well marketing does fill the students with loads of crap. For instance the airlines coming to recruit. Sorry to tell you but the airlines coming for a simple Q & A session doesn't constitute as a recruiting session. They don't take resumes either, or at east haven't been reciently. They just tell you about their hiring minimums and if you are interested and meet the requirements then you can submit your resume online here or there. And I have to agree with "crjsomeday" that it doesn't really matter where you recieved your certificates from. As long as you can pass the interview/testing process and you know what your doing in the flight deck then you'll be fine.



After leaving FlightSafety I took a visit to SunAviation and Paris Air. SunAviation's instructor is a very very experienced pilot. He's a CFI - CFII -MEI - AGI - IGI - Helicopter instructor, A&P, and holds many other certificates as well. But the down side to going over there is that the instructor is talking about retiring so I didn't want to get in the middle of training and have him leave. The aircraft rates are $108/hr solo and $30/hr for the instructor. A big difference from FSA.


At Paris, where I chose to go is the better choice for me. Like I said before, it's more of a laid back atmosphere and their instructors are just as knowledgeable as the CFI's at FlightSafety and the schedule is made up a week in advance. As for cost, it's a lot cheaper than FSA. No worries about spending over $100K for flight training. The $25K I spent in step two was enough for me to realize it was way overpriced. The Piper Senacas run $265/hr dual at Paris compared to FlighSafety Seminole at $339/hr dual.
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I'm happy for you that you found a place that fits your needs my friend!

Alex
 
bLizZuE said:
No. Way.
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Oh yes, it came out to $24,684 for step two, that's including all the flight time, brief time, books, materials (checklist, E6B, plotter...), and $550 a month multiplied by the 6 months that I was in the dorms. So it is definitely possible. My old roommate who just completed his Private spent 21K. At $194/hr dual it adds up quickly plus the $17.50 a day for the dorms. Both my roommates left FSA and went to PanAm in Arizona. Not sure how they like it so far. I haven't had the chance to catch up with them.

Crockrocket, yes Dan W and Jenny H are there, not my instructors though. Did they instruct at FSA as well? or go to FSA while in training? And your right, Paris did go to FSA to get his certificates, a while back.
 
Am I reading this correct? It took you six months to do step two? I know aircraft availability has been tight, but dang. That's an awful long time. Costs to occupy a dorm, food, gas for the car, etc. really add up there.
 
It took me almost 4 months, was ther full time during those 4 months I got done ME ground, CRM I and II. A lot of WX cancellations (one every second flight, not beacuse of me they just didn't want to sign my wx), and I don't fly during week-ends.

Our friend was serving the country too, you can reach 6 months easy.
 
I suppose it depends on how motivated you are. When I instructed there, I had a few students complete step 2 in under a month. A couple others took the better part of a year between sick calls and deciding not to fly.

Sometimes weather is a problem, but I found that 90% of the time it wasn't as bad as it looked on the computer or out the window. I always encouraged my students to at least start on the cross country flights if the weather was just OK instead of CAVU. If they didn't feel comfortable in the first half hour or so, they could always find a clear spot to do some practice on maneuvers or come back to the pattern and practice landings.

There were plenty of creative ways for a student to get through the program quickly. However, the student had to have the capacity and motivation to do it.
 
C5crewChief said:
Ohh I left, and I'm quite happy where im at now. It's more of a laid back atmosphere. No worries about "am I going to fly tomorrow" My schedule is posted on Sunday for the entire week ahead. So waiting until 2:30 sometimes 5PM on the schedule for the following day is not an issue anymore. Flying four times a week is not a problem either. I'm assigned an instructor and i fly everyday from 7am - 9am. except Wednesdays, a day off is nice. If I have a question for a ground instructor I definitely don't have to worry about getting charged $58/Hr brief time if my questions go over the time limit of 15 minutes.

I must say that FSA is good on giving your money back.. well what's on account at least. I gave a portion up front and whatever was left I got a check that same day!

Also, who ever was saying that they went or knew someone that went to FSA back in 2000 that's great. When I talk to airline pilots who went to FSA in the 90's they are surprised to hear what's going on. Maybe in the past FSA had their stuff together and considered all students equal. But now days, it's true, contract students are priority, and FSA is a business. Talk to the center manager, he's Mr. Business himself.
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And who's the Chief Pilot and Center Manager nowdays?
I left FSA a few years back, and then SJ was the rising star. He's Mr Business?
 
6 months sounds like an individual whom does not apply himself....no excuse! Step II is COMPLETELY up to the student and how fast that individual wants to get done...not the instructors fault. Stop blaming everyone else and take responsibility for your actions.

In short, "GROW UP."
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T56Maniac said:
6 months sounds like an individual whom does not apply himself....no excuse! Step II is COMPLETELY up to the student and how fast that individual wants to get done...not the instructors fault. Stop blaming everyone else and take responsibility for your actions.

In short, "GROW UP."
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Hmmmm.........:yeahthat:
 
:yeahthat:
I have some step two students and they are all very motivated and getting through it quite quickly.
 
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