What would you have done?

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First some background on the situation:

I was on my 6th day of a 4 day trip. I had had enough B.S. to last me for the rest of the month by this time. So, I'm DHD'ing home (in uniform) from LGA to PHL which is about a 20 -30 minute flight. We were still on the climb-out all the way up :sarcasm: to 8000 ft (final cruise)....when I hear music coming from behind me. I shrugged it off thinking perhaps it was coming from some part of the plane.....I don't know....it was day 6 after all. Anyway, to continue w/ the story. We've reached cruise and because of the short duration of the flight, the announcement regarding the use of electronic devices was never made.....the captain never turned off the lighted placard....duh! However, I'm still hearing this music and I realize this is someone using a portable music device. I looked around a bit behind me and realized it was a girl in her early 20's (estimate) directly in the seat behind me just jamming away.

Now, just a bit more background before I continue.

On my first day of the trip I was DHD'ing to work (again in uniform) and the girl next to me was using her laptop during the flight. No big deal....I had been using mine as well. However, when we began our decent and the announcement to put away electronic devices was made, I buttoned mine up and stowed it. She did not. The FA came through the cabin and didn't notice that this woman was still using her computer. After another pass by the FA, I pointed out the fact that this woman was still using the comp. and the FA asked her to put it away. Again, she continued to ignore the announcement and the FA's request. To make a long story shorter, the FA asked her a second time and then again a third time to please put her computer away. This woman was amazing, she just kept right on using the comp. and finally put it away when we were on about a 1/2 mile final just moments before touchdown.
This really pissed me off! Who the he!l did she think she was? Here I was, in uniform and she was just going to completely ignore a federal regulation. I don't usually let stuff like this bother me and I try not to get involved when DHD'ing.......it's not my place to intervene.

So, now we morph back to the music.......

I was thinking about the computer girl and I decided to say something this time. It was a short flight.....why couldn't she go w/out her music? No one else was allowed. So, I unbuckled my seatbelt, turned around and got this girl's attention. "Excuse me, but your going to have to turn that off!" I pointed to the "Please turn off electronic device" lighted placard. She looked at me and said "NO, it's not an FM tuner." I asked again, and then said your telling me your refusing to turn off the device. She said "yes." Now I was pretty pissed. I'm not certain if she could tell that I was in uniform or not. I let it go for a couple minutes until the FA came through the cabin. I proceded to discretely point to her and the fact she was using a music device. He asked her to turn it off and she got all pissy saying if it mean that much to him (meaning me). I heard this and got up out of my seat, turned around, removing all doubt to the fact that I was in uniform and said yes, it does mean that much to me! It is a Federal Regulation and you need to turn it off now. She told the FA "it's off already."

After we'd reached the gate, I waited to be the last person off the flight and talked to the FA about the situation. I appologized about getting involved stating that I don't normally get involved in things like that but it was day #6 and I'd had it. I then told him that this girl gave me a hard time and he said I should've mentioned that to him when I pointed the situation out intially. He would have taken a more aggressive attitude w/ her. Also, I told him about the computer story and how that guided my desicion to interviene.

So, sorry for the long story but I'm curious what others would have done in this situation. Don't know, maybe this is a "Your the Captain" topic......nevertheless, here it is.

What would you have done?
 
I bet her laptop had one of those wireless cards in it... I would think these are just as bad as a cellphone and until last week had never heard any FAs mention turning off your wireless capability. American Airline's policy is basically if it has an on/off swith it has to be in the off position. Not bad.
 
Timbuff10 said:
I bet her laptop had one of those wireless cards in it... I would think these are just as bad as a cellphone and until last week had never heard any FAs mention turning off your wireless capability. American Airline's policy is basically if it has an on/off swith it has to be in the off position. Not bad.

US Airways policy as well. On / Off switch........Switch it OFF!!!!!!!!
 
What I would have done was give her a little "Simulated turbulence", you know pull the yoke back and forward swiftly. Then you tell her it was her fault that happened because it jammed your electronics.:nana2:
 
Take my little finger and put it on her computer button and shut it off. If she does understand, I can explain to her why I did it. Do you want us to crash women????


I dont really know about the music one, I will just let the FA know.
 
I've wondered about this myself on a couple of my DH's.

When it happened it was severe clear out, if something did happen to interfere it wouldn't be the end of the world. Probably no crashing involved. I never said anything.

I always thought in my head if the wx was bad I would probably get involved if I felt there was a pressing need. What I would probably do however is just ring the FA call button, and let them handle it.

I just honestly can't believe people completely disregard directives to turn stuff off. They just don't care...

That being said, there was a 328 accident in DEN I believe. On the rollout the gear just sucked up. The gear lever was still down, it hadn't been touched. The only thing they could come up with was a cell phone signal had somehow triggered the motors.

As far as reaching over and turning the device off yourself, ummm no. I wouldn't ever touch someone else's personal property. It's not my place (unless it was say, a weapon).
 
wheelsup said:
That being said, there was a 328 accident in DEN I believe. On the rollout the gear just sucked up. The gear lever was still down, it hadn't been touched. The only thing they could come up with was a cell phone signal had somehow triggered the motors.

This is scary. Because most of the airlines now will let you turn on your cell phone once you've cleared the runway and you're taxiing, right?

At DFW, that can be a long, long time.

I'm no engineer, so I'll have to defer - but that explanation smells funny to me. Like they can blame it on a cell because they really have no clue. I dunno.
 
I feel your frustration. Believe, me, I've been there!

I think it's the attitude of "the rules are for everyone but ME" mentality that is so prevelent today. People are spoiled and selfish and they want to do whatever they want to do whenever they want to do it.

I would tell people repeatedly and politely to turn their devices off. If they refuse, I would simply (and still nicely) tell them that this is their last warning, and if they don't turn it off the police will meet them at the gate and they will be escorted off and charged with the federal felony charge of interfering with a flight crew. I never got angry, never got snippy or snotty, just polite facts. By the time it got down to the threats of police intervention (which it did a few times), I never had anyone NOT turn it off.
 
I probably would've kept my mouth shut and let the FA deal with it unless I was asked to assist. But, I hear ya, I get frustrated with the sweaty masses as well. Though I did pipe up last week--I was commutting in for work and we had just pulled off the runway, holding short of the parallel and the guy across the isle from me pops up out of his seat and reaches up to open the overhead. Before I even thought about it, I was saying "Sir, you need to sit down. Now. We're not at the gate."
 
a bit off topic, why are electronic devices only allowed durring cruise, what is it about climb out and decent that make it dangerous?
 
socalef9 said:
a bit off topic, why are electronic devices only allowed durring cruise, what is it about climb out and decent that make it dangerous?

Possible electronic interference with navigation and communication equipment. Being at low-level is when you supposedly really need this stuff, so it's off-limits in proximity to the ground.
 
socalef9 said:
a bit off topic, why are electronic devices only allowed durring cruise, what is it about climb out and decent that make it dangerous?


Technically, it's below 10K ft, which is considered sterile.
 
This falls under NMP...Not my Problem. I couldnt careless what passengers do when my ass isnt on the line as long as they arent lighting their shoes on fire. The uniform doesnt mean anything at all, they dont see you as a SS officer undercover in the back, You just look like a possible mobile skycap to them.

I like to keep a low profile etc and keep things fluide and easy. I would really hate to have to fill out a report for something that happened when I was sitting in 11D. Day 6 sucks no matter how ya slice it though.
 
wheelsup said:
That being said, there was a 328 accident in DEN I believe. On the rollout the gear just sucked up. The gear lever was still down, it hadn't been touched. The only thing they could come up with was a cell phone signal had somehow triggered the motors.

Any solid evidence from an NTSB final finding to back this up? This is a bit too much cell phone paranoia than I can easily slide over. Interfering with navigation systems, etc, different story. . . but gear getting "sucked" up. . .nah, I'll need an official statement from someone who investigated it. :)
 
surreal1221 said:
Any solid evidence from an NTSB final finding to back this up? This is a bit too much cell phone paranoia than I can easily slide over. Interfering with navigation systems, etc, different story. . . but gear getting "sucked" up. . .nah, I'll need an official statement from someone who investigated it. :)

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Nobody knows what caused it. There is no "official word" because it's a mystery.

No such official statement exists, sorry.
 
You know, like I said before, as a personal rule I tend to stay out of stuff like this. But, I was just annoyed that people get the "the rules don't apply to me" attitude. I realize the uniform doesn't mean much....... And, as far as the whole electronics interfering w/ the Nav system, etc... I don't know.....although that topic has been covered on here before. And I believe someone posted test results regarding the interference.....stevec maybe.

Anywho, I just wanted to vent a bit and hear what other line pilots have or would have done in a similar situation.
 
Did you ever see George Castanza's rant at the movies when he was being "opposite" for the day...You should have done that.
 
I usually try not to make eye contact with pax on DH's. I usually sit in the last seat in the back throw on some tunes and go to sleep(sold the PSP). Less chance of them having to ask me what gate chicago will be going out of. Some lady walks up to me and another captain in line at mcdonalds a few weeks ago to tell us she had a toy gun in her purse and TSA got all pissy about it. Just random. And she starts talking to us as if we know her or have been talking to her for an hour.
 
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