What would you do?

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t-cart

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I saw a question like this somewhere else and thought it might be a good topic to discuss.

To start, lets assume you are both well qualified in this plane and vfr conditions.

Let's say that you are out tooling around one day with a friend and he is flying the plane. As you come around for the final approach, the airplane continues through the final approach course and the friend is trying to salvage it. At the same time this is happening, the airplane begins to buffet. This is all at a low altitude. What would you do?
 
Push the nose over and save yourself. I came to this conclusion after my friend was killed in turn to final situation three days before we were supposed to fly together (http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20080123X00090&key=1)

In my pre-flight briefing with any pilot I ever fly with (or acts as my safety pilot), I always tell them to not hesitate to take the controls if we enter a situation where they feel that an urgent maneuver is necessary for our safety.
 
t-cart said:
What would you do?
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A flight instructor would see this coming from a mile away. He'd warn of excessive bank angles and decaying airspeed and probably suggest a remedy. If the pilot did not react, the instructor would say "my airplane" and roll level, apply large amounts of power and lower the angle of attack.

The situation is only troublesome for a non-instructor pilot. He'd probably let his friend kill him, rather than be rude.
 
tgrayson said:
A flight instructor would see this coming from a mile away. He'd warn of excessive bank angles and decaying airspeed and probably suggest a remedy. If the pilot did not react, the instructor would say "my airplane" and roll level, apply large amounts of power and lower the angle of attack.

The situation is only troublesome for a non-instructor pilot. He'd probably let his friend kill him, rather than be rude.
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:yeahthat:
 
tgrayson said:
A flight instructor would see this coming from a mile away. He'd warn of excessive bank angles and decaying airspeed and probably suggest a remedy. If the pilot did not react, the instructor would say "my airplane" and roll level, apply large amounts of power and lower the angle of attack.

The situation is only troublesome for a non-instructor pilot. He'd probably let his friend kill him, rather than be rude.
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Not true, I'm not a CFI, but I've taken the controls a couple of times from friends who scared me, usually a "whoa what are you doing, my airplane!?" suffices. But also a continuous "bank...bank...lower the nose...my controls, dude."
 
Easy answer for a flight instructor. Karate Chop the "mofo" in the jugular, and take the controls.
:crazy:
 
MikeOH58 said:
Easy answer for a flight instructor. Karate Chop the "mofo" in the jugular, and take the controls.
:crazy:
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Scary story with that, a friend of mine's dad was a DPE for a while, and well, here's the story:

The guy is giving an instrument checkride and is nearly done, when the applicant is shooting an ILS to a full stop. She crosses the inner marker and looks over at him "I want to die," she says, and shoves the nose forward. The DPE says "You do but I don't, and karate chops a couple times in the neck and pulls out about 50' AGL. Apparently, at this point he says, "take me back," and she flies him back and he takes the landing. Funny, but really spooky.
 
tgrayson said:
A flight instructor would see this coming from a mile away. He'd warn of excessive bank angles and decaying airspeed and probably suggest a remedy. If the pilot did not react, the instructor would say "my airplane" and roll level, apply large amounts of power and lower the angle of attack.

The situation is only troublesome for a non-instructor pilot. He'd probably let his friend kill him, rather than be rude.
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:yeahthat: This is the right answer


MikeOH58 said:
Easy answer for a flight instructor. Karate Chop the "mofo" in the jugular, and take the controls.
:crazy:
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But this is the more right answer.
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The safety pilot is getting PIC for a reason and they both have to understand that the visual pilot, if needed, will take over; no questions asked.
 
ppragman said:
Apparently, at this point he says, "take me back," and she flies him back and he takes the landing. Funny, but really spooky.
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and he gives her back the controls? awesome. This my friends is what we call the "cherry on top"
 
ppragman said:
Scary story with that, a friend of mine's dad was a DPE for a while, and well, here's the story:

The guy is giving an instrument checkride and is nearly done, when the applicant is shooting an ILS to a full stop. She crosses the inner marker and looks over at him "I want to die," she says, and shoves the nose forward. The DPE says "You do but I don't, and karate chops a couple times in the neck and pulls out about 50' AGL. Apparently, at this point he says, "take me back," and she flies him back and he takes the landing. Funny, but really spooky.
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That is extremely creepy. What happened when they landed?
 
Douglas said:
and he gives her back the controls? awesome. This my friends is what we call the "cherry on top"
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I thought that part was pretty funny. I think he new she was spooked and hurt enough, I don't think he needed to rub it in.

youngflyer said:
That is extremely creepy. What happened when they landed?
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I guess he found out who gave her her medical and called her up and told her, then called the FAA. This happened at least a decade ago, or maybe earlier, but who knows what came of it.
 
i dont need no silly suicide-by-plane....because usually the plane is the one trying to kill ME!!



...but really. thats creepy. and remarkably cool-headed.
 
never hurts to carry that .357 just in case you happen to be with someone with a loose screw. :bandit:
 
cool92092 said:
Did I read the full narrative of the report correctly? was the plane operating overweight?
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It was - even more so when he took off. He probably burned 72lbs of fuel during the trip, so that likely put him 100lbs overweight. His mother was over 300lbs, he was 270 or so, and his father was around 220 if I remember correctly. We had a problem with guys being very lax about w&b in our club - but not after that.

I have a picture of the panel from after the accident - the mother smashed into the forward section of the cockpit, throwing the guy's father into the panel. You can see where his head hit the transponder.
 
t-cart said:
I saw a question like this somewhere else and thought it might be a good topic to discuss.

To start, lets assume you are both well qualified in this plane and vfr conditions.

Let's say that you are out tooling around one day with a friend and he is flying the plane. As you come around for the final approach, the airplane continues through the final approach course and the friend is trying to salvage it. At the same time this is happening, the airplane begins to buffet. This is all at a low altitude. What would you do?
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Personally, I would scream really loud and if time allowed begin to weep.

Douglas said:
The safety pilot is getting PIC for a reason and they both have to understand that the visual pilot, if needed, will take over; no questions asked.
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This is a really good paragraph.


Interesting question T-cart. I like Douglas' answer about making sure beforehand that everyone knows what is what.
 
t-cart said:
Let's say that you are out tooling around one day with a friend and he is flying the plane. As you come around for the final approach, the airplane continues through the final approach course and the friend is trying to salvage it. At the same time this is happening, the airplane begins to buffet. This is all at a low altitude. What would you do?
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Pull back on the controls to maintain altitude.
 
ppragman said:
Scary story with that, a friend of mine's dad was a DPE for a while, and well, here's the story:

The guy is giving an instrument checkride and is nearly done, when the applicant is shooting an ILS to a full stop. She crosses the inner marker and looks over at him "I want to die," she says, and shoves the nose forward. The DPE says "You do but I don't, and karate chops a couple times in the neck and pulls out about 50' AGL. Apparently, at this point he says, "take me back," and she flies him back and he takes the landing. Funny, but really spooky.
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So did she pass?
 
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