What would you do?

popaviator

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I know alot of you guys are probably thinking "ughhhhhh another one of these posts lol" but...here it goes... So I've been flight instructing the past 8 months, built up some time and now am at kind of a crossroad... I left that job and have been looking at other flying jobs (i.e. whoever hires me lol) At my boxing gym there were 2 guys from the marines talking about flying in the military and it sparked interest, im only 21, but I still have 40k to pay off in loans and am still working on getting my degree (i.e. haven't started it yet ) so if you wanted to move towards a flying career in the military what would do if you were in my shoes... minus the "not taking out a loan in the first place" :insane: can you fly for the military if you have a loan? I understand it would be a long road with alot of competition, but I'm willing to give it a shot. (I figure if I can teach a chinese student to fly I might be able to make it through flight training in the military..idk...) .........theses are all questions I should probably ask a recruiter...but I thought I'd get some input on the forums first....... thanks
 
...can you fly for the military if you have a loan?

Yep. As long as it is not an issue on repayment where the loan company is calling your CO.

I understand it would be a long road with alot of competition, but I'm willing to give it a shot.

The Navy OCS boards have pretty much shut down until sometime next year (I have heard October) so when they start up again you are going to have a lot of people waiting to send in their packages. Your competition is with people who have wanted to do this their entire life and are extreme type A personalities. You really have to make yourself standout, the usual well rounded person (in school or graduated, have a job, volunteer, sports, good grades, high test scores). In general you don't just give it a shot.

(I figure if I can teach a chinese student to fly I might be able to make it through flight training in the military..idk...)

I would keep that too yourself cause no one cares. I had prior flight time coming into flight school and everything changed once I strapped for the first time. Military flight training is more standardized, it is at a faster pace, and if you it away and not give 100% you will pay for it...it is nothing like your prior flight time. The only advantage that prior flight time gives you in my opinion is that you have made more mistakes compared to your peers and should know better. However, you have to unlearn your ways and learn the way the Navy wants you to fly. Don't think that just cause you have prior flight time means you are better than your peers or that you should go out right away and buy your wings. Heard about enought CFIIs and Regional guys coming through the program think they knew what they were doing and weren't good students and failed out of primary. Again no one cares and you should keep your prior flight time to yourself, if you follow the Navy way of flying you will stand out and be successful.

To sum it up you either have a 120% desire to be a Military Aviator, or you don't.
 
If I could do it all over again I would try to get an ROTC scholarship or get into an academy.
 
there are 2 guys in my UPT class that came in with their CFII....still paying that one off for the both of them.....

you are going to need a 4-year degree before you start UPT though
 
Here's your 800-pound gorilla (or $80,000 gorilla, depending): not having a degree is a huge obstacle.

For most people it's a matter of taking the AFOQT (AFAST, ASTB, etc.) and gathering letters of rec before sending in an application. There's a big difference between needing a few weeks of prep and a 5-hour test, and needing four years of college.
 
Well, I guess no matter where I go next, the degree has to happen....thanks for the advice guys

Degree is a must, I also wouldn't take loosely the aptitude tests, security screening plus good physical condition, and on top of that you have to meet the board, get selected, it could be easy or it could be a pain. Some people get away with waivers for things, but as selection get tighter that goes away too. You should try though, you got nothing to lose and everything to gain. Don't be discouraged if you don't make it. Also, if you do make it, you have to understand that the flying might not be your primary duty. You might as well end up flying a desk more than flying an airplane.
 
Degree is a must, I also wouldn't take loosely the aptitude tests, security screening plus good physical condition, and on top of that you have to meet the board, get selected, it could be easy or it could be a pain. Some people get away with waivers for things, but as selection get tighter that goes away too. You should try though, you got nothing to lose and everything to gain. Don't be discouraged if you don't make it. Also, if you do make it, you have to understand that the flying might not be your primary duty. You might as well end up flying a desk more than flying an airplane.

Thanks for the optimism. I have always had interest in serving in the military. I have always noticed a difference in people who have and haven't served and respected those who did more. I understand that there have been others that have made this their goal from a very early age and by all means I'd really have to bust my ass to make it, but it is worth a try. Would there be a way to make my flying interest known to the military and also have them help for college? Once again... things I shoud probably ask a recruiter.
 
Yes, on the Navy side, both the NROTC program as well as BDCP will help you pay for college. If I recall correctly, BDCP will only do the last 2 years of your school, but it is a good deal, and they pay you as an active duty enlisted servicemember on top of tuition while you are finishing up school....the catch is that you need to attend OCS following graduation to actually get your commission. A nice thing about this program is that you can get a pilot guarantee prior to attending OCS.

I did NROTC and actually started the program when I was about your age, following a couple years in a part 141 flight school. Did 4.5 years in the program, and they covered all but the first year of it (in terms of tuition, fees, book stipend, and a monthly paycheck that varies from about $250-400 between your freshman and senior years). It was a good program, and gives you a good deal of military training while still allowing you to enjoy the college experience at the same time. You do summer training "cruises", which are normally 3-4 weeks and you can end up just about anywhere around the world. I did one cruise on the USS Kitty Hawk in 2005 from Sydney to Guam, and in '06 I did about 4 weeks @ NAS Lemoore riding in the back seat of Super Hornets. While I have friends that did OCS and BDCP, I think the NROTC program is a little bit more well rounded, and personally I would not want to have done USNA or OCS so it worked out nicely for me.

As for the prior experience thing, to echo what rp said, it just doesn't mean a whole lot. I never mentioned it to anyone unless they asked (which at times they will be able to tell for sure). Your instrument experience will be helpful in primary, and just generally having some "air sense" will be a big payoff, but in terms of stick and rudder skills and the various steps throughout the training syllabus, you will be back to square one in a lot of ways. I feel like I had a decent advantage in primary over some of my friends who didn't have several hundred hours of civilian flying to fall back on, but we totally evened out by the time we got to advanced jets. It's just a whole different ballgame, and the areas of emphasis are completely different than those of your civilian experience. That said, with the right attitude, your experience will help you do well and get what you want. Just know there are a lot of other hard working guys out there with no prior time that are just as competitive, and will at times do better than you in some areas of flying for whatever reason.

Overall, if you have an interest in serving, and in military aviation, I say absolutely go for it. There is nothing like this anywhere else in the flying world and if you have the opportunity to do it while you are still young, I see no reason not to.
 
http://www.usnavyocs.com
http://www.airforceots.com
http://www.marineocs.com

These web sites offer up to date information about commissioning, there are recruiters and officers frequently answering questions. Do a thorough research on your own before you decide anything, don't let recruiters sweet talk you into something you don't want, know what you want before you talk to them. Recruiters' main business is to enlist people, look for officer recruiters, don't buy into the idea that you can enlist first and then finish college and put the officer's hat on - it's not impossible but it's very rare and time consuming. If you want more info you can PM me. Good luck.
 
I know alot of you guys are probably thinking "ughhhhhh another one of these posts lol" but...here it goes... So I've been flight instructing the past 8 months, built up some time and now am at kind of a crossroad... I left that job and have been looking at other flying jobs (i.e. whoever hires me lol) At my boxing gym there were 2 guys from the marines talking about flying in the military and it sparked interest, im only 21, but I still have 40k to pay off in loans and am still working on getting my degree (i.e. haven't started it yet ) so if you wanted to move towards a flying career in the military what would do if you were in my shoes... minus the "not taking out a loan in the first place" :insane: can you fly for the military if you have a loan? I understand it would be a long road with alot of competition, but I'm willing to give it a shot. (I figure if I can teach a chinese student to fly I might be able to make it through flight training in the military..idk...) .........theses are all questions I should probably ask a recruiter...but I thought I'd get some input on the forums first....... thanks


If the military is something you're genuinely interested in.. have you considered the Army?

The Army has a long standing "High School to Flight School" program- the Army Warrant Officer Flight Training program.

If you're fit enough to be in the military, you can get a gig that puts you straight through Basic Training then sends you to 'Mother Rucker' (Ft. Rucker, Alabama...) for Warrant Officer school and rotary wing flight training.

Helicopters aren't fixed wing fighters or C-130s.. and it's a bit of a rough and tumble lifestyle by comparison.. but it is a flying gig, and you can work on your degree while you're in. I know of some Warrants that later cross-commissioned into the Air Force and the Coast Guard. They got 'full' commissions and flew in the other service.

You might also come to terms that in this day and age if you join the military, you're going to war. Consider it a given.

I'd ask if you're prepared for that, but nobody is. I do ask that you think about it, first.
 
Enlist in the guard? get your school payed for and have an "in" for when you graduate
And if you going to talk to a recruiter make sure it is an officer recruiter if your asking about flying gigs
 
Don't enlist in the Guard.

You won't be home enough to actually go to school. It's hard to get school done in some places in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

If you consider the Army pilot option, talk to me. I know quite a bit about this, and can steer you in the right direction.

If you sign anything without going over it with me first, I'll break your legs. ;)
 
I am also thinking about the military once I am done with school. I am going to try and get a UPT slot with the Alaska Air Guard. It was a tough choice between ANG and CG, but the ANG allows me the ability to stay in Alaska. Plus I consider all Alaskans family, and would like to be part of an organization that helps them in times of need.

Good luck in making your decision.
 
I am also thinking about the military once I am done with school. I am going to try and get a UPT slot with the Alaska Air Guard. It was a tough choice between ANG and CG, but the ANG allows me the ability to stay in Alaska. Plus I consider all Alaskans family, and would like to be part of an organization that helps them in times of need.

Good luck in making your decision.

That's my plan in a nutshell.
 
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