What to say and do to comments like these?

CFIse said:
That, with all due respect is what makes the public unsympathetic to pilots.
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I don't give a rat's ass what the general public thinks. Ask Joe Average if he thinks professional athletes are overpaid, and he'll say yes.

So what? Do you think A-Rod gives a rat's ass what the general public thinks when he deposits his $25 million paycheck in the bank?

The general public probably thinks lawyers are overpaid, too. Do you think any of those lawyers who are filing class action lawsuits give a damn what the general public thinks when they're depositing their checks?

The general public, unless you're a politician, is not relevant to your compensation. Your employer is.

And yes I am smarter than your average Joe, because your average Joe is a damn moron.
 
tonyw said:
I don't give a rat's ass what the general public thinks. Ask Joe Average if he thinks professional athletes are overpaid, and he'll say yes.

So what? Do you think A-Rod gives a rat's ass what the general public thinks when he deposits his $25 million paycheck in the bank?

The general public probably thinks lawyers are overpaid, too. Do you think any of those lawyers who are filing class action lawsuits give a damn what the general public thinks when they're depositing their checks?

The general public, unless you're a politician, is not relevant to your compensation. Your employer is.

And yes I am smarter than your average Joe, because your average Joe is a damn moron.
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Hey! I got a friend name Joe, oh wait, yup he is a moron!
 
Dugie8 said:
Hey guys, thanks for all the input, I appreciate the point of views. Please don't take my comments on "skinning a cat" as a cowboy attitude, if you have flown the DC8 you know full well there is more than one way to descend, 280 knots, 300 knots, with power, without power, etc, thats what I meant. B767, I thought about what I said about "creativity" and a better word for what I was trying to say would be intuition, the ability to see whats coming and adapt to it.

As far as the public perception of us, I could really care less. These same people would drive an extra 2 hours out of there way to save 100 dollars on a ticket, kind of says something about their judgement skills, no?

Quick question for 767, which model of the 767 do you fly?
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757-200, 767-200, 767-300(ER).....but I'm a short timer as I'm getting displaced back to the MD88.
 
flyover said:
Welcome to the club!!
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LOL, I realize that may sound arrogant, but when you're the safety pilot, and you tell the guy to take off his foggles and land, and you're thinking, oh, my God, how did you get your ticket when he does it.....
 
Ahhh my dad flew the DC8 when he was with UAL wayyyyyy back in the day and said the thing was picky. :) not too sure what he meant by it but I would guess durring high winds ect.
 
SeanD said:
Ahhh my dad flew the DC8 when he was with UAL wayyyyyy back in the day and said the thing was picky. :) not too sure what he meant by it but I would guess durring high winds ect.
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Actually, once you get used to the way it "side slips" for crosswind landings, it is fairly easy. The bad thing is with the CFM engines if you are fast you don't get the nose up very high and you have very little room to bank or wammmo, pod strike.

I guess when United got there first CFM DC8s (-70 series) they had something like 8 pod strikes in 8 weeks! :eek:
 
Dugie8 said:
Actually, once you get used to the way it "side slips" for crosswind landings, it is fairly easy. The bad thing is with the CFM engines if you are fast you don't get the nose up very high and you have very little room to bank or wammmo, pod strike.

I guess when United got there first CFM DC8s (-70 series) they had something like 8 pod strikes in 8 weeks! :eek:
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Dugie, sounds like it might not be all that easy after all!!!
 
Read this article http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/191863-1.html and realize that lots of experience and excellent training do NOT equal good judgement!

In another case, I just flew with a Capt who just returned from leave, taking care of his older brother's affairs. Seems his brother, a Marine Silver Star recipient in Vietnam, was flying his family in a light twin from FL to NJ and tried to land at night in heavy fog. Oh, BTW, his brother was only a private pilot, but had been flying over 25 years. Quoting the Capt, he had told his brother "he was going to kill himself one of these days", but he ended up taking his wife with him as well as leaving his two daughters injured in the hospital. Lots of experience, no judgement. Some people DO NOT need to be flying around with passengers, Dugie, regardless of training or experience.
 
Dugie8 said:
Actually, once you get used to the way it "side slips" for crosswind landings, it is fairly easy. The bad thing is with the CFM engines if you are fast you don't get the nose up very high and you have very little room to bank or wammmo, pod strike.

I guess when United got there first CFM DC8s (-70 series) they had something like 8 pod strikes in 8 weeks! :eek:
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Ill have to ask him if he was one of the strikes :). I know he flew that series back in the later 70s out of ORD.
 
MDPilot said:
Read this article http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/191863-1.html and realize that lots of experience and excellent training do NOT equal good judgement!

In another case, I just flew with a Capt who just returned from leave, taking care of his older brother's affairs. Seems his brother, a Marine Silver Star recipient in Vietnam, was flying his family in a light twin from FL to NJ and tried to land at night in heavy fog. Oh, BTW, his brother was only a private pilot, but had been flying over 25 years. Quoting the Capt, he had told his brother "he was going to kill himself one of these days", but he ended up taking his wife with him as well as leaving his two daughters injured in the hospital. Lots of experience, no judgement. Some people DO NOT need to be flying around with passengers, Dugie, regardless of training or experience.
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Well, we starting to get off my point a little bit. I have always said it takes common sense to be a pilot, your example shows, and no disrespect intended, that the individual lacked that. My point was to actual physically flying the airplane, the motor skills required. Judgement, experience, you can have loads of both but no common sense and you will be a smoking hole somewhere, someday.
Flying is much much more than actually flying the airplane, we all know that, lately it seems that flying the airplane has become the simpliest part of our jobs.
 
Dugie8 said:
Flying is much much more than actually flying the airplane, we all know that, lately it seems that flying the airplane has become the simplest part of our jobs.
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Oh, how true that is. Which is why I have seen so many (military trained) FAA certified "pilots" who have no business in the front end of an airliner. I'm sure there are an equal number of civilian trained licensed "pilots" who can't be trusted as well.
 
SeanD said:
Ahhh my dad flew the DC8 when he was with UAL wayyyyyy back in the day and said the thing was picky. :) not too sure what he meant by it but I would guess durring high winds ect.
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We used to say you didn't really fly the DC-8, you herded it.
 
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