What the selection panels will see

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With geographic preferences out for PUBNAT8, there's been a lot of questions about what the people at the selection panels do and don't see. So, two things from the source itself. This comes from Review of Screening, Placement, and Initial Training of Newly Hired Air Traffic Controllers, a study by the Assistant Inspector General released by the FAA this April.


FAA currently assigns new controller candidates to facilities by considering candidates’ location preference, a summary of information from their employment application, and a list of job openings. ... The facility placement process is conducted by a Centralized Selection Panel, consisting of managers from selected air traffic facilities, that assigns candidates using a referral list. As shown in figure 3, (an actual referral list used in January 2009), these panel members have only limited data on candidates’ AT-SAT results (column C). They primarily base facility assignments on applicants’ geographical choices by state (columns E and F) and applicants’ choices on their desired type of facility—either en route or terminal (columns G and H).

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(Full sized image available here or here).

As you can see, it's short and to the point. Who you are, what category the AT-SAT placed you in, and where you want to go. It's all they need to know, because it's all that matters when you don't have any experience to bring to the table. Note that they also list where you live currently, as people who live in the place they want to work are more likely to actually accept a position there (and stay once they start).

There's been a lot of speculation as to whether the selectors can access your full application in case they want to go into more depth. Nothing that I've ever read has said anything about it, and it's not mentioned as part of the hiring process in this report, which was pretty thorough. In any case, it's clear from both the description and image of the list itself that whether or not that can be done is largely unimportant -- there are hundreds and hundreds of names to sift through, and considering a mostly irrelevant background (because nothing but past ATC experience is of much use in predicting future success) would be time consuming and unhelpful.

So, the best thing to do is what's been advocated by the online community all along -- score well on the AT-SAT, pick wisely, and cross your fingers and hope for the best. Personally, I've always advised getting to know people where you'd like to be, since it's helpful on many levels (beyond just trying to get picked here), but most people are too lazy to try to do so and it's a little late to get started on that game by now anyway. Still, for those in the position of selecting, it's nice to be able to look for a name you recognize.

One more thing worth mentioning from the report (which, by the way, is a good read and worth checking out if you want to know more about the hiring process):

During the last round of hiring, initiated in July 2009, FAA received 9,072 applications for a limited number of openings. Of these, 6,378 candidates passed through initial screening processes and FAA ultimately referred 5,516 for testing. A total of 3,148 scored 85 or above and were considered “well qualified.” The FAA must consider all 3,148 prior to selecting individuals who scored below 85. Ultimately, the FAA will select and hire about 500 of the very best, most qualified candidates from this list, thus screening out 95 percent of the original applicants.

Regardless of whether the FAA plans on picking up a few more or less this time around, the odds are sobering. There's a lot of luck involved. Here's to hoping that it goes well for as many JetCareers users as possible.
 
that's awesome, we'll miss you when you are gone for sure.
so what if you do have experience? it gets a little murky there. because although that is an example of a referal list used, it doesn't say how they generate the referal list. is it really a crap shot or does a candidate with experience and school have a better shot of at least making the referal list. they really do give us too much time to think about things. is october here already?
 
Any idea on the type of pull that vets pref actually has during the panel.

Also grats to all you Pubnat 4 people who got their class dates, hopefully we can manage to keep the jetcareers community alive, although it will be hard without rosstafari
 
OK why are Pubnat 4 people just now getting a class date when so are people that are Pubnat 7....

I guess I mean I thought people would get class dates in order of applications unless of course somebody got a class offer or facility and turned it down...
 
OK why are Pubnat 4 people just now getting a class date when so are people that are Pubnat 7....

I guess I mean I thought people would get class dates in order of applications unless of course somebody got a class offer or facility and turned it down...


Class dates are based on facility need. A PUBNAT4 applicant could be 34th in line for their facility with their facility only accepting 20 for the current fiscal year. A PUBNAT7 applicant could be 2nd in line with their facility accepting 3 or 4 for the current fiscal year.
 
I see....
I gotcha....
Thanx

Ok here's to hoping that the states of OH and CO are in need of people...

Come on CLE or ZOB!!!!!
 
I see....
I gotcha....
Thanx

Ok here's to hoping that the states of OH and CO are in need of people...

Come on CLE or ZOB!!!!!

not to be a downer... but the word for months now at ZOB has been there will be no new hires Fiscal year 2011. 2008 when I got in... I think we had a solid 40ish new hires. 2009/2010 I doubt there has been any more than 20. Some of the original 40ish are checked out, some are still waiting for radar classes. The facility has an abundance of trainees... but I do think hiring NOBODY in 2011 is a mistake. We'll see what actually happens though.
 
You never know what they're going to do. I was told (in june) that hr wouldn't know anything till next fy. Then in July I got a call out of nowhere from hr asking if I could start in aug.....
 
not to be a downer... but the word for months now at ZOB has been there will be no new hires Fiscal year 2011. 2008 when I got in... I think we had a solid 40ish new hires. 2009/2010 I doubt there has been any more than 20. Some of the original 40ish are checked out, some are still waiting for radar classes. The facility has an abundance of trainees... but I do think hiring NOBODY in 2011 is a mistake. We'll see what actually happens though.

thats what i heard too about ZOB. I wanted to put that in my preference but after talking to some people there it would have been a bad choice. It would have been nice since all my family is up there.
 
This is a great find BTW. Okay so 500 people out of around 3,150 wq. I am keeping my fingers crossed for one of those slots. I scored well on the ATSAT, have my instrument rating, AAS degree in aviation, and currently I am a flight follower for a private company I am hoping that they actually look at the employment history because this will hopefully help me land a spot.

In the PDF they say
"""FAA currently assigns new controller candidates to facilities by considering candidates’ location preference, a summary of information from their employment application, and a list of job openings."""

so maybe they do review past jobs.

Anyone know for sure if they actually review past jobs during the selection panel?

Well Good Luck to everyone! :beer:
 
In the PDF they say
"""FAA currently assigns new controller candidates to facilities by considering candidates’ location preference, a summary of information from their employment application, and a list of job openings."""

so maybe they do review past jobs.

Anyone know for sure if they actually review past jobs during the selection panel?

Look at the image in the original post. That's the summary of information. Again, they don't care about past jobs because it's of little use when it comes to predicting ATC aptitude. You've either got it or you don't, and it's been consistently shown that nothing in the past save for actual ATC experience is any indicator of future ability.

Best of luck to you.
 
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