What the hec! CFI question

Acadia

Acadia

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I am studying for my CFI renewal and I came across this question. This is right ot of 61.183(i) and in my opinion both B & C are correct. If I had to pick one I would lean towards C since the words “sign-off” are not perfect FAA nomenclature. Any thought other than this is a bad question?

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Under what circumstances would a flight instructor applicant be required to demonstrate spins on the practical test?

A. Spins are required on all initial flight instructor practical tests.

B. Spins are required if the flight instructor applicant does not possess the appropriate sign-off.

C. Spins are required during a retest, if the flight instructor applicant fails any portion of the practical test relating to stall awareness, spin entry, spins, and spin recovery.



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Having just come out of the CFI written/oral/practical extravaganza, I can say with certainty that the answer is, indeed, 'C.'
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Can I log the time spent typing this as dual given? Can I, can I, can I?!?
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I would have go along with Doug on this and say "B" is correct...
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G. TASK: SPINS (ASEL)
NOTE: At the discretion of the examiner, a logbook record attesting applicant
instructional competency in spin entries, spins, and spin recoveries may be
accepted in lieu of this TASK. The flight instructor who conducted the spin
instruction shall certify the logbook record.

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I don't see anything in the PTS in the "Unsatisfactory Performance" section that mentions spins at all...
 
I was thinking "B" as well...how does the CFI applicant from a small fbo get a spin endorsement? I would think if you dont get an endorsement you have to then demonstrate the knowledge on the practical test.
 
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I don't see anything in the PTS in the "Unsatisfactory Performance" section that mentions spins at all...

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Gotta look in the FAR's...(See below):


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§ 61.183 Eligibility requirements.

To be eligible for a flight instructor certificate or rating a person must:

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(i) Accomplish the following for a flight instructor certificate with an airplane or a glider rating:

(1) Receive a logbook endorsement from an authorized instructor indicating that the applicant is competent and possesses instructional proficiency in stall awareness, spin entry, spins, and spin recovery procedures after providing the applicant with flight training in those training areas in an airplane or glider, as appropriate, that is certificated for spins; AND

(2) Demonstrate instructional proficiency in stall awareness, spin entry, spins, and spin recovery procedures. However, upon presentation of the endorsement specified in paragraph (i)(1) of this section an examiner may accept that endorsement as satisfactory evidence of instructional proficiency in stall awareness, spin entry, spins, and spin recovery procedures for the practical test, provided that the practical test is not a retest as a result of the applicant failing the previous test for deficiencies in the knowledge or skill of stall awareness, spin entry, spins, or spin recovery instructional procedures. If the retest is a result of deficiencies in the ability of an applicant to demonstrate knowledge or skill of stall awareness, spin entry, spins, or spin recovery instructional procedures, the examiner must test the person on stall awareness, spin entry, spins, and spin recovery instructional procedures in an airplane or glider, as appropriate, that is certificated for spins;


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If you go to the practical without the spin endorsement, you won't be able to take the test.

If you go to the practical with the endorsement, the inspector asks you a few questions about spins and you nail them, then you don't have to demonstrate spins and recovery in the air.

If you go the practical with the endorsement, the inspector asks you a few questions about spins and you have no idea what he's talking about, he can pink slip you and require that you come back with an airplane approved for spins next time (read: you'll be doing spins and demonstrating recoveries in the air with the examiner).
 
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how does the CFI applicant from a small fbo get a spin endorsement?

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Spin a C150 with an instructor.
 
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I was thinking "B" as well...how does the CFI applicant from a small fbo get a spin endorsement?

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Well, I fly at a small FBO and I'll be going up with an instructor, doing spins, and getting my endorsement.
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Pretty simple, really.
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Gotta look in the FAR's...(See below):


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This is right out of 61.183(I)

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Choice C:
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Spins are required during a retest, if the flight instructor applicant fails any portion of the practical test relating to stall awareness, spin entry, spins, and spin recovery.
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Language in 61.183(i)(2):
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If the retest is a result of deficiencies in the ability of an applicant to demonstrate knowledge or skill of stall awareness, spin entry, spins, or spin recovery instructional procedures, the examiner must test the person on stall awareness, spin entry, spins, and spin recovery instructional procedures in an airplane or glider, as appropriate, that is certificated for spins;
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Next question: One plus one =

(a) 0
(b) 1
(c) 2

What's your opinion?
 
CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCc
 
I'm going to have to go with "D"

Final Answer

[Regis] Final Answer?

"D" Final Answer

[Regis] You're correct you've just one $1,000,000 dollars Payable $1 a year for 1,000,000 years
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I'm going to have to go with "D"

Final Answer

[Regis] Final Answer?

"D" Final Answer

[Regis] You're correct you've just one $1,000,000 dollars Payable $1 a year for 1,000,000 years
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Ill go with D...

Sir, there's only three choices!

I also like to live dangerously....
 
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