What Keeps you at a 135?

jtrain609 said:
If you think that the majority of part 135 jobs have security, stability or predictability, then you must not know much about part 135 operations.

Airlines, even regional airlines, provide a level of stability and predictability in schedule that is unimaginable at most charter departments.
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I don't think that at all. I do know about the majority of 135 jobs.

Thus - I think those are the things that would be required to keep me there once I got there. You and I agree on this and are coming at it from the same angle.
 
Regional captain, I am actually strongly considering making the leap to a 135/91 company because it is close drive to home, rare overnights away from, diversity of flying and hopefully getting back to why I liked flying to begin with. Pay will be a cut and will stay a cut but the thoughts of improved QOL are very enticing. The on call part of 135 sucks, but at the right place doesn't sound worse than reserve at an airline. This time I could actually sit at home. Just need this dam mortgage financing to go through so I can make the jump.

This could change if I got a call from one of the top dogs....but I am boycotting job fairs so therefore not likely.
 
There are plenty of 135 operations that operate properly. The plus being, those places want to hire the right folks and do what is needed to keep those folks. Just like the airlines, you have to be willing to move for those jobs to make the QOL "good".


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jtrain609 said:
If you think that the majority of part 135 jobs have security, stability or predictability, then you must not know much about part 135 operations. And I don't mean this to say, "YOU IDIOT," more like, "Oh no, you bought into the internet hype."

Charter companies put you on call 24 hours a day (illegally, I might add), and go under at a rate that's hard to comprehend. I don't know many folks who have been working at the same charter company for more than few years at a time, for various reasons.

Airlines, even regional airlines, provide a level of stability and predictability in schedule that is unimaginable at most charter departments.
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You obviously know this but there's more to 135 than charter. The points about QOL and long term stability are very much valid though.
 
Roger Roger said:
The same thing that keeps people in any abusive relationship.
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I can't tell you how freaking true this rings. I call it domestic airplane abuse. Our union board is filled with "positives" at my company that would make the status quo cringe. Things like "this job is awesome, one time I got 36 hours in Aspen because I had a broken airplane and no captain." This guy was a 2004 hire... Battered wife syndrome runs deep in the 135 world.
 
For now turbine pic is what's keeping me at a 135. Still not exactly sure where I'll be after this, but I have a few preferences.
 
jtrain609 said:
If you think that the majority of part 135 jobs have security, stability or predictability, then you must not know much about part 135 operations. And I don't mean this to say, "YOU IDIOT," more like, "Oh no, you bought into the internet hype."

Charter companies put you on call 24 hours a day (illegally, I might add), and go under at a rate that's hard to comprehend. I don't know many folks who have been working at the same charter company for more than few years at a time, for various reasons.

Airlines, even regional airlines, provide a level of stability and predictability in schedule that is unimaginable at most charter departments.
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I've heard for every good 135 job there's about 100 terrible ones.
 
From guys who have come from there, the co-worker quality is quite variable. The commuters have an excellent training program that tends to weed out most weaker folks. While not everyone is a super pilot the quality in general is pretty consistent.
 
Some of the things being described at the 135 gig sound like my current circumstances at my 121 gig. 10 minute drive to the crew lot. 5 minute walk to the gate. My seniority went up quick. I get whatever schedule I want, and I mostly only get trips I like at my seniority. Sick time accrual, vacation time accrual, 401k, health benefits, bonuses. Pay is decent. Probably unusual to my base, but currently only spending 8-10 nights away from home per month and 15+ days off a month. Varied flying. I've been to about 110 different airports in the last year.

It's all circumstantial really. When I upgrade, I plan to commute, be away from home a lot more, be junior, have a crappy schedule etc. It's all part of the long game though. Why I'm at 121 is the overall long term stability, QOL, and money. Most of all, this is what I have had a desire to do since I was a kid. Corporate or 135 never really appealed to me as much as the airlines. It would be fun to do someday, but I'm very content with 121 flying at the moment. I love my job.
 
B200 Hawk said:
Regional captain, I am actually strongly considering making the leap to a 135/91 company because it is close drive to home, rare overnights away from, diversity of flying and hopefully getting back to why I liked flying to begin with. Pay will be a cut and will stay a cut but the thoughts of improved QOL are very enticing. The on call part of 135 sucks, but at the right place doesn't sound worse than reserve at an airline. This time I could actually sit at home. Just need this dam mortgage financing to go through so I can make the jump.

This could change if I got a call from one of the top dogs....but I am boycotting job fairs so therefore not likely.
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Don't do it. Your quality of life will go down, immensely.
 
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