What is it like being an airline pilot captain for a major international airline?

ktsai91

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If you are lucky enough to pay your dues early on in your flying career and you finally get to see the fruits of your labor, what is it like to be an airline pilot captain at the top of the pilot seniority list for a major international airline (like Emirates for example)?

Like what would the salary be and what would the lifestyle of a senior major international airline captain be like? Any other perks and benefits?
 
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If you are lucky enough to pay your dues early on in your flying career and you finally get to see the fruits of your labor, what is it like to be an airline pilot captain at the top of the pilot seniority list for a major international airline (like Emirates for example)?

Like what would the salary be and what would the lifestyle of a senior major international airline captain be like? Any other perks and benefits?

I don't know. How about I'll let ya know when I get there, let's say in about 20 years??

I believe there are a few guys who are on here that flew for Emirates at one point. I've heard it's not all that great, labor rules are rough and your body clock is always a mess. I heard Emirates has hot flight attendants though so there's that :)
 
Emirates was attractive to a lot of American guys several years ago back during the recession, but I've heard from multiple sources that they don't have any work rules, and you will routinely fly 90-95 hours a month, especially if you get the A380. There's just not a huge reason anymore to leave the US like there was back in 2008-2009.
 
this is unconfirmed but I heard that ex-pat pilots at places like Emirates, go through a "2nd" interview when upgrading and usually (or at least relatively common) that American's get passed up...I had 2 buddies at Emirates and they left because of this.

anyone confirm this or am I just unintentionally trolling
 
If you are lucky enough to pay your dues early on in your flying career and you finally get to see the fruits of your labor, what is it like to be an airline pilot captain at the top of the pilot seniority list for a major international airline (like Emirates for example)?

Like what would the salary be and what would the lifestyle of a senior major international airline captain be like? Any other perks and benefits?



Hmmmm.

To be honest if you are lucky early in your career you get on with a U.S. major and stay there for 35-40 years without getting furloughed; going through a bankruptcy; or getting screwed in a seniority integration. One only ends up at a place like Emirates if one of the above three things happens to them or they were otherwise stuck at a regional during the dark days of the early to mid 2000s.

I was pretty senior at Emirates. #500 of 3500 when I left and was a Standards Captain* on the B777 so had pretty much the best schedule one could devise on a monthly basis. Home 25 nights/month; flew an average of 30 hours/month; and did maybe ten sim sessions. I could pick a 5 day block of time off anywhere in the month, each month. I got one trip of my choosing every month (except ultra-long haul or trips over 6 days). My trips were almost always final line checks for upgrading F.O.s or for new hire F.O.s because that's what Standards Captains did. My sim sessions were a mix of initial type rating checks; recurrent training/check; new instructor training; recurrent instructor training; or the final line oriented exam for an upgrading F.O. The really nice thing about my job is that I had awesome bosses in the training department who backed up anything I did and every decision I made in regards to a student. I also had an incredibly talented peer group that worked really well together. You can't put a price on those last two points, they made job satisfaction off the charts.

A senior Emirates captain makes the U.S. equivalent of $300,000/year when you factor in all of the benefits and tax deductions. Probably a little more. I took a job back in the States for $200,000/year and it was a massive pay cut on an after tax basis.

The Emirates pilots started a club where we paid dues of $30/month and pooled that money to buy memberships at many of the good gyms and beach clubs in town. That meant you could enjoy the facilities of some very high end gyms and beach clubs for very low cost.

Travel benefits on Emirates are okay. If travelling single as a senior employee one could almost always get into First Class. I can't tell you the number of times I got the last seat on an airplane in First Class because economy and business would go out full and only Captains and senior management had access to First Class seats. If travelling with a family on standby tickets it wasn't so nice because now you're stuck in business when the kids are young so would have to be very careful looking for availability. Many people travelling to the UK or Australia had major problems getting a whole family onto the airplane on the dates they wanted.

Now, all of that said. There was a good time to be at Emirates and that was from when they started until about 2014. It was really good up until 2008/2009 when the flying wasn't so heavy, but during the economic crisis they arbitrarily increased the normal monthly hours from the low 80s to the low 90s. Doesn't sound like much, but it was a huge increase in workload. The other thing they did that hurt even more is they stopped counting vacation days towards that monthly flying time. I forget what the figure was but let's say 2:30/day for vacation towards that monthly maximum. If you had 14 days of vacation that would be 35 hours. So the remaining 16 days of the month might get scheduled for 40-45 hours of flying. When they increased the monthly flying and did away with the vacation credit you could sometimes have 7 days of vacation in a month and still fly 90 hours!! Then they started forcing 4 day vacation blocks into a pilot's line and basically counted them as days off while the pilot still did a full month with only another 4-5 days off. There are countless other examples of changes that have been made for the worse over the years.

Since I left at the end of 2013 it has only gotten worse and worse. Pilots are leaving in droves now. Qatar, which used to be the worst of the Gulf airlines is now the clear choice of places to go as long as you go on a widebody. There really is no good reason to go to an overseas airline for a U.S. citizen anymore. It made a lot of sense back in the early 2000s and up until about 2010/2011 while the U.S. carriers were stagnating, but not anymore.


*Standards Captain is a Type Rating Examiner who also does the training and checking of all the other Type Rating Instructors and Examiners.
 
this is unconfirmed but I heard that ex-pat pilots at places like Emirates, go through a "2nd" interview when upgrading and usually (or at least relatively common) that American's get passed up...I had 2 buddies at Emirates and they left because of this.

anyone confirm this or am I just unintentionally trolling


There is a command upgrade process that includes an interview. There are certainly a number of pilots who do not make it through that process on the first attempt or otherwise get held up. Emirates had much higher standards for captain upgrades than you would find at a U.S. airline*. There is not discrimination based on nationality at Emirates (there is at Cathay). Many non-Americans also fail to get through the command upgrade interview on their first attempt. I know one Brit, who was friends with Tim Clark, who took 9 years to get through the process after his first failed attempt.


*Emiratis excluded as of about 2012
 
Hmmmm.

To be honest if you are lucky early in your career you get on with a U.S. major and stay there for 35-40 years without getting furloughed; going through a bankruptcy; or getting screwed in a seniority integration. One only ends up at a place like Emirates if one of the above three things happens to them or they were otherwise stuck at a regional during the dark days of the early to mid 2000s.

I was pretty senior at Emirates. #500 of 3500 when I left and was a Standards Captain* on the B777 so had pretty much the best schedule one could devise on a monthly basis. Home 25 nights/month; flew an average of 30 hours/month; and did maybe ten sim sessions. I could pick a 5 day block of time off anywhere in the month, each month. I got one trip of my choosing every month (except ultra-long haul or trips over 6 days). My trips were almost always final line checks for upgrading F.O.s or for new hire F.O.s because that's what Standards Captains did. My sim sessions were a mix of initial type rating checks; recurrent training/check; new instructor training; recurrent instructor training; or the final line oriented exam for an upgrading F.O. The really nice thing about my job is that I had awesome bosses in the training department who backed up anything I did and every decision I made in regards to a student. I also had an incredibly talented peer group that worked really well together. You can't put a price on those last two points, they made job satisfaction off the charts.

A senior Emirates captain makes the U.S. equivalent of $300,000/year when you factor in all of the benefits and tax deductions. Probably a little more. I took a job back in the States for $200,000/year and it was a massive pay cut on an after tax basis.

The Emirates pilots started a club where we paid dues of $30/month and pooled that money to buy memberships at many of the good gyms and beach clubs in town. That meant you could enjoy the facilities of some very high end gyms and beach clubs for very low cost.

Travel benefits on Emirates are okay. If travelling single as a senior employee one could almost always get into First Class. I can't tell you the number of times I got the last seat on an airplane in First Class because economy and business would go out full and only Captains and senior management had access to First Class seats. If travelling with a family on standby tickets it wasn't so nice because now you're stuck in business when the kids are young so would have to be very careful looking for availability. Many people travelling to the UK or Australia had major problems getting a whole family onto the airplane on the dates they wanted.

Now, all of that said. There was a good time to be at Emirates and that was from when they started until about 2014. It was really good up until 2008/2009 when the flying wasn't so heavy, but during the economic crisis they arbitrarily increased the normal monthly hours from the low 80s to the low 90s. Doesn't sound like much, but it was a huge increase in workload. The other thing they did that hurt even more is they stopped counting vacation days towards that monthly flying time. I forget what the figure was but let's say 2:30/day for vacation towards that monthly maximum. If you had 14 days of vacation that would be 35 hours. So the remaining 16 days of the month might get scheduled for 40-45 hours of flying. When they increased the monthly flying and did away with the vacation credit you could sometimes have 7 days of vacation in a month and still fly 90 hours!! Then they started forcing 4 day vacation blocks into a pilot's line and basically counted them as days off while the pilot still did a full month with only another 4-5 days off. There are countless other examples of changes that have been made for the worse over the years.

Since I left at the end of 2013 it has only gotten worse and worse. Pilots are leaving in droves now. Qatar, which used to be the worst of the Gulf airlines is now the clear choice of places to go as long as you go on a widebody. There really is no good reason to go to an overseas airline for a U.S. citizen anymore. It made a lot of sense back in the early 2000s and up until about 2010/2011 while the U.S. carriers were stagnating, but not anymore.


*Standards Captain is a Type Rating Examiner who also does the training and checking of all the other Type Rating Instructors and Examiners.


How long were you there for? That pay cut to 200k must have been brutal!! (Total sarcasm on my end :) ). What are you flying now?
 
How long were you there for? That pay cut to 200k must have been brutal!! (Total sarcasm on my end :) ). What are you flying now?
No matter what you're getting paid, if you take a 33% pay cut, it hurts...

My grandfather when I was growing up said something to me that relates to this. We were discussing "rich people". He said there are very few truly rich people. There are people who have bigger bills, and that is truly the only difference between "normal people" and people who make more money.
 
Emirates was attractive to a lot of American guys several years ago back during the recession, but I've heard from multiple sources that they don't have any work rules, and you will routinely fly 90-95 hours a month, especially if you get the A380. There's just not a huge reason anymore to leave the US like there was back in 2008-2009.

I interviewed for a street captain job at a regional and one of the guys interviewing with me had left Emirates. He said it was pretty much unbearable. Had a story about a flight from DXB to India with a chief pilot. Said it was basically a 6 hour oral.
 
Are you "really" current on the Boeings, though? Maybe proficient is a better question... ;)

Last 737 recurrent was in January and flew it in February.
Last 777/787 recurrent was July, 2016
and you know about the 650 :)

I could take a type ride in the B777 tomorrow, no problem. It's my baby :)

What I am not proficient in to the level I would like to be is the 650. Flying it a bunch later this month though, so that should help.
 
My buddy who has been an Emirates A380 Capt for several years just quit to go to Southwest.

To the OP. It's just a job, man. I've had a charmed career getting hired at a bottom feeder at 29 that turned into one of the best jobs in the biz. Blind luck or divine intervention? I tend to favor the latter....

Can't wait to retire at age 60 in 4 years. Lucky, I stuck it out at a place with a pension, and I'm low maintenance, so it works to get out at 60.
 
Everyone I know except for one is wanting to leave Emirates or has already left... a couple dove back to the states without a job offer, just had to get back. That says a lot!

At DL, it entails a lot of time off, 400kish a year and the choice destinations on the widebody of your choosing.
 
No matter what you're getting paid, if you take a 33% pay cut, it hurts...

My grandfather when I was growing up said something to me that relates to this. We were discussing "rich people". He said there are very few truly rich people. There are people who have bigger bills, and that is truly the only difference between "normal people" and people who make more money.

This is true.

Oh lord, so true.

The more you make the more you find that you're the only person in your family circle actually rowing the boat.

(as I'm laughing heartily at the memory of my mothers insistence that I pay off my brothers mortgage with my profit sharing check a few months ago)
 
This is true.

Oh lord, so true.

The more you make the more you find that you're the only person in your family circle actually rowing the boat.

(as I'm laughing heartily at the memory of my mothers insistence that I pay off my brothers mortgage with my profit sharing check a few months ago)

My father was the only one in his family to do well for himself, which when I say that I mean 90k income maybe 20 years after starting from the bottom. His family now thinks he's rich and can pay for the family meetings, pay for meals every time we get together and now that his son is a pilot we can get them free flights all around the world! Needless to say we rarely see the fam anymore... kinda sad
 
No matter what you're getting paid, if you take a 33% pay cut, it hurts...

My grandfather when I was growing up said something to me that relates to this. We were discussing "rich people". He said there are very few truly rich people. There are people who have bigger bills, and that is truly the only difference between "normal people" and people who make more money.

I was just joking with @typhoonpilot about the paycut. Not meaning it in a condascending fashion in anyway.

I'm sure a 33 percent paycut is hard to take no matter what the initial salary is, because we are wired to spend what we make.
 
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