What is an aviaton degree actually worth?

There's a lot of semantics in aviation that those in charge of hiring like to focus on, and focus on WAY too much IMO.

At the end of the day, despite the white collared monkey suit, flying an airplane for a living is a blue collar trade. Experience wins. Education and training can aide the inexperienced a little, but overall, the guy with a diverse flying background(which implies lots of experience) is the better pilot.
 
Well, "it depends".

The diverse background may make for a "better" pilot, but if he doesn't meet the minimum qualifications, he will not be the "employed" pilot at the airline that requires a degree.

Remember, they're not looking for Chuck Yeager.
 
Frankly, as a business owner, I could care less about the degree. I care about what tangible skills you bring to the table, right now, to help my team win. Time taken to train you is time lost in productivity, and a cost of overhead.

Average time an employee spends in a job - 3 years.
Average time it takes a business to generate positive revenue - 3 years
Turning over one employee can cost around 1/2 of a low skilled hourly workers annual wages plus benefits, while losing a member of C-Level upper management can cost 3 to 5 times his or her annual wages and benefits.

A degree is all about what you want to do in life. Some will tell you it is a measure of your ability to finish something. Well, 6 years in the Navy, 2 combat tours, overseas billets, and an honorable discharge mean more than that to me. Yet, aside from Air Traffic Control, I was "unemployable". And so... I employed myself. And I am legitimately unemployable now. There is no offer high enough to get me to go work for some big corporation that determines what I am worth. I will fly airplanes for that reason for only one reason; I love flying airplanes. And at some point, I will be able to parlay that knowledge into operating my own aircraft for hire.

The fact is this; you're getting into the working world with nothing more than a piece of paper that says you woke up on time, showed up, and took the requisite tests. In the worst economy in yours and my lifetime. You'll NEVER get the ROI out of a college degree today. In 1950, you were told if you go to college, work hard, get good grades, you'll graduate, and get a good job. You'll work loyally for a loyal company for 20,30, or 40 years, and retire with enough to live "comfortably" on. Today... That is laughable. You'll spend between 60-160m to get a piece of paper where you'll pray to God that some HR person sees your pithy resume and calls you about a $23,000 a year job with GREAT benefits. And MAYBE will match your 401k which is worthless, as well. You might get a 3% a year raise, and work there until you're burned out in 3 years and have to relocate to another company that will pay you what you think you're worth. And the wheel turns....

If you want to climb the corporate ladder, plan on AT LEAST a Master's or PhD. The bachelor's is a good starting place. Maybe your company will match part of your tuition. But a degree won't get you into ULM. Work for yourself and your degree becomes irrelevant. But, your success and failure is dependent solely on how big your dream is, how clear your vision is, and how well you can generate revenue out of the gate to offset the enormous costs of running and operating your own gig. But.... When CEO's and others come out to my farm and ask me to trade places, I get validation that I need to continue doing what I'm doing vs. whatever they make a year and promises of Golden Parachutes and stock options etc.

It's all about what you want out of your life.

Figure out what it is you want to do in your life, find people bigger and better than you to help you, listen to what they tell you, and stay committed to whatever it is that you're after. A few years of doing that will show you exactly what the worth of your degree is.
 
Everything wrapped up, a aviation degree is not worth anything.

YOU

are worth everything. If you don't make your skills worth it to the employer, your degree will not get you the job. This is a networking industry where people look to see if you are a good fit. The background and skills are the icing on the cake. I have failed to get 3 jobs that I thought I desperately needed. In hindsight I am exactly where I should be now and I love it. If I was at those other places I would have been unhappy right along with my employer. Find the balance between education, experience, and career choices. Find what you love. What I love will be different to what you love and different from every pilot. This isn't a race, it's a society. Get used to finding out what makes you proud.
 
Also, MikeD, I just realized you have 26,952 messages. I know you're a mod an all, but that works out to 7.5 posts a day on average. I think that just proves that you have to be monitoring posts and editing them while on the crapper. That's the only reasoning I can think of, which means when you edit mine... take a second... finish the other thing you're doing, and don't take out the anger on my posts. Remember, who...does...number...two...work...for...
 
Also, MikeD, I just realized you have 26,952 messages. I know you're a mod an all, but that works out to 7.5 posts a day on average. I think that just proves that you have to be monitoring posts and editing them while on the crapper. That's the only reasoning I can think of, which means when you edit mine... take a second... finish the other thing you're doing, and don't take out the anger on my posts. Remember, who...does...number...two...work...for...

With the amount of BS in this place, there's not enough time in the world to watch over everything here.
 
What changed from 2 weeks ago, when you were arguing against people regarding your wanting to go to Great Lakes for next to no pay? Thread below:

http://forums.jetcareers.com/threads/i-really-need-help.138791/page-3

I weighed all of my options and made the decision that it's not a viable option for me. Remember, I fly airplanes because A. I want to. B. I love flying, and am passionate about aviation. I am going to look at everything out there as a low time pilot because I am above nothing, and nothing is below me at this stage of my flying career. But, it needs to make sense for me to do it.

**Flying airplanes is NOT sitting in a cube, or pushing papers which is the work I was referencing when I spoke of ULM in a major corporation.** - Keep it simple, I know there is paperwork in flying.

I'm not familiar with the pay structure of the airlines, and did my due diligence. Honestly, that pay won't cover my gas to and from the airport for a year. I'll argue anything to get the right answers. I'm sure you know how that goes. You'll say anything to a suspect to get the right answers....

It was a great example of why this board rocks. Real deal from real guys in the industry.
 
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