What if ERAU cost the same as UND?

What does a persons major have to do with how rounded they are? Unless you're studying something like phsyc or philosophy, you're not really improving your critical thinking skills to a high degree with ANY major. Which is one thing that defines a "well rounded" person. You don't need a piece of paper from some institution to tell everyone you are knowlegable in other areas. Unless of course you want to a job related to that. It really doesn't take much to learn different things outside of university education.

Yes, I know of the kids you talk about that are just obsessed with aviation and it is annoying sometimes. You get that with people majoring in everything though.

Im sure it's already been shown several times that UND is different than Purdue. We dont need to go into the how and why.

I'll agree with you that getting an aviation degree has the potential of making you fairly narrow minded. So do a lot of other areas of study however.
 
UAL747400 said:
What does a persons major have to do with how rounded they are? Unless you're studying something like phsyc or philosophy, you're not really improving your critical thinking skills to a high degree with ANY major. Which is one thing that defines a "well rounded" person. You don't need a piece of paper from some institution to tell everyone you are knowlegable in other areas. Unless of course you want to a job related to that. It really doesn't take much to learn different things outside of university education.

Yes, I know of the kids you talk about that are just obsessed with aviation and it is annoying sometimes. You get that with people majoring in everything though.

Im sure it's already been shown several times that UND is different than Purdue. We dont need to go into the how and why.

I'll agree with you that getting an aviation degree has the potential of making you fairly narrow minded. So do a lot of other areas of study however.
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True, however.... If you want to fly airplanes and decide to get a degree in, say....., art history, you will have 2 areas of "in-depth knowledge" whereas when you study aviation, you only know about one topic. Personally I think too many people go to a university for the wrong reasons (parents expect them to, want to get their MRS degree, etc.) They're institutes of higher learning, and to be honest with you, I've probably learned more from JC and FI than classes in the aviation department. For example, in "Commercial Ground School" we spent about 4-5 weeks on W&B problems for transport a/c (MAC, LEMAC, etc). Move ahead to "Transport Aircraft Ops" and we spent another 5 weeks on W&B problems, despite the fact that we have done them already. Another course "Advanced Navigation" we spent 6 weeks learning how to do things on the CR2 computer. Complete waste of time, all in an effort to stretch the syllabus thin. And I don't think this is a problem solely at Purdue.
 
too much?

How much is too much to pay for an aviation career? I know all the talk about top saleries of three hundred thousand dollars and if that were still true by the time the young college generation were to move up I could see shelling out just as much money as any lawyer doctor etc. pays for their schooling (over 100k). However is it wise to spend that much in all the training and college for a job in the aviation field? I have spent 45k so far which included my CFI and MEI along with 30 college credits and some living expenses and so forth. Problem is I have 20 hours of multi time and looking at 20k starting saleries im not sure about talking on more loans for multi time. A friend of mine is flying CRJs at american eagle spent 90 thousand dollars at delta connectlion. Any thoughts?
 
Chris_Ford said:
If you don't want to be challenged in college, go for it. It's the easiest major and the biggest waste of your tuition money. That's why I say it.
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Obviously you don't got to UND. Although I would have wanted to take a different major, the obvious choice of management didn't interest me, therefore I am majoring in aviation, and it is not easy. I spent a year in a Mechanical Engineering program and aviation is much harder.
 
Joekster said:
Obviously you don't got to UND. Although I would have wanted to take a different major, the obvious choice of management didn't interest me, therefore I am majoring in aviation, and it is not easy. I spent a year in a Mechanical Engineering program and aviation is much harder.
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How is it harder? What is it that makes the program difficult?
 
Chris_Ford said:
How is it harder? What is it that makes the program difficult?
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That is a very hard question, I can't really compare because this is the only aviation program I have been in. I will say I think the aviation program is harder than alot of the other majors, just from my experiance with my friends. One huge reason aviation is challenging is that well both my friend and I are taking 6 credits in a six week semester, I have class from 8-12 and am out at the airport from 12:30 to 3:00 EVERYDAY, while he has class for four hours and thats it. So there is 2 and a half extra hours every day for 6 credits in aviation than in another major. And ground school is no piece of cake either.
 
Joekster said:
That is a very hard question, I can't really compare because this is the only aviation program I have been in. I will say I think the aviation program is harder than alot of the other majors, just from my experiance with my friends. One huge reason aviation is challenging is that well both my friend and I are taking 6 credits in a six week semester, I have class from 8-12 and am out at the airport from 12:30 to 3:00 EVERYDAY, while he has class for four hours and thats it. So there is 2 and a half extra hours every day for 6 credits in aviation than in another major. And ground school is no piece of cake either.
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As an example, systems class with Foltz will kick your butt. Aerodynamics could have been much much harder, but I think the teachers have to water it down a little for the "idiots". I managed a low A in both, and I worked harder in those to classes than any other. A lot of our classes could be harder, but they're dumbed down a little. Which makes sense considering most of our classes would require you to be some kind of engineer or mechanic to truely study it to the fullest, which isnt totally neccessary to a pilot.
 
UAL747400 said:
As an example, systems class with Foltz will kick your butt. Aerodynamics could have been much much harder, but I think the teachers have to water it down a little for the "idiots". I managed a low A in both, and I worked harder in those to classes than any other. A lot of our classes could be harder, but they're dumbed down a little. Which makes sense considering most of our classes would require you to be some kind of engineer or mechanic to truely study it to the fullest, which isnt totally neccessary to a pilot.
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That's precisely my point, though. Too many of these programs are taught to the lowest 25%, rather than the highest. I was way more challenged in high school then I ever was in college.
 
I wouldn't consider hardly any of the classes I've taken so far to be dumbed down that much. Just one, aviation safety, comes to mind as being run in that relaxed of a manner.

I think we've hijacked this thread plenty long enough. I know I'm probably not going to change your mind and you're definetly not going to convince me that the main degree I'm pursuing is worth nothing. But, I can understand your thoughts on aviation degrees if the program at Purdue is infact that bad. It's not the same here however. Having only been to UND, I can't say how they are different. Just in reading what you've described and my experiance here, there's definitly a pretty big difference somewhere here.
 
I'm fairly certain the programs are all fairly homogenous (ERAU, UND, Purdue). What is it that you learn after your get your commercial license up there at UND?
 
Chris
I agree with you, the avit program at UND, while not a pushover, certainly wasn't very hard, I mean really, flying isn't hard. My first year of college at NDSU was harder than my last year at UND, all 400 level avit courses, plus speach 102 :argue: .


I would say my aerospace degree is worthless, and I am a fool for not completing a masters in some kind of engineering while getting my ratings, but I thought the same way a lot of people do now, I love flying, might as well major in it. If I had it all to do over again, I would have mastered in computer science and gotten as many Microsoft, Novell, Cisco, etc ratings that I could have (the testing center can admin, most, if not all, of those tests).
 
I am planning on majoring in Aero Sci. However I do not think I'm narrow minded at all (a bit conceded..maybe :) ) I was in the International Baccalaureate program since 5th grade and was one first person in the WORLD to graduate, completing every program IB has to offer (Primary years, middle years, and diploma years..and only because there were only 19 of us and my last name happens to be higher in the alphabet then the other 18). In this program i was able to find other areas of interest besides aviation. So, I am planning on majoring in Aero Sci, minoring in management, taking as many history classes as possible ( I love history) and also taking fire science and EMT classes. Money isn't THAT big of an issue as I passed enough tests in IB to enter college as a sophomore (credits wise). So, Chris, there are a select few, probably the majority actually, who are narrow minded, but there are the select few that like studying other things. As for working in your "fall back career" I am planning on doing it after I graduate. In a perfect world, I will be a firefighter and flight instructing on my days off to earn money. I dont mean to brag or any of that stuff. I'm just throwing this out here because I'm sure most of you can point out my faults and things I missed. So please do.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
 
Joekster said:
Obviously you don't got to UND. Although I would have wanted to take a different major, the obvious choice of management didn't interest me, therefore I am majoring in aviation, and it is not easy. I spent a year in a Mechanical Engineering program and aviation is much harder.
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lol agree, UND realley wants you to know your s*#$. the professors Genuinely care about you and in making sure your knowledgeable about the topic and subject. They go more in depth to certain topics require more projects and assignments be done, and have a pritty strict templete. Our Professors are also very experiences in the industry one noteable one is Dr. Jenseen, an aerospace physician for the ND ANG, and professor of flight phsyiology and human factors. and they are not "dumbed" down. maybe it is from your point of view as you said they are all homogenuous.
 
CaptainChris87 said:
lol agree, UND realley wants you to know your s*#$. the professors Genuinely care about you and in making sure your knowledgeable about the topic and subject. They go more in depth to certain topics require more projects and assignments be done, and have a pritty strict templete. Our Professors are also very experiences (I'll dismiss this as a typo) in the industry one noteable one is Dr. Jenseen, an aerospace physician for the ND ANG, and professor of flight phsyiology and human factors. and they are not "dumbed" down. maybe it is from your point of view as you said they are all homogenuous.
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it really makes me laugh when people bash people on forums because they spell things wrong... most people type their posts in a minute or two and dont even re-read them. they dont give a flying @#$% if they spell something wrong. someones ability to spell correctly on a computer has no relation to them being dumb...
 
boeing 777-300 said:
someones ability to spell correctly on a computer has no relation to them being dumb...
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That is a true statement, but bad spelling and poor grammar can make someone appear dumb. At the very least it makes one think that they don't care about the impression that they are making. Seeing as how there is a decent chance that the people on this (or another) website may have the opportunity to help give you (and me!) a leg up in this business, my opinion is that making a good impression is a smart thing to do. Your opinion may (obviously) vary. :D
 
boeing 777-300 said:
it really makes me laugh when people bash people on forums because they spell things wrong... most people type their posts in a minute or two and dont even re-read them. they dont give a flying @#$% if they spell something wrong. someones ability to spell correctly on a computer has no relation to them being dumb...
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Well, when said post is defending one's college and how edumicated one is, then I would tend to agree with Chris.

I admit I'm a dumba$$, a Riddle grad (great I have a $50K bumper sticker for that one), but I also try to make sure I don't look like a complete idiot by proofreading my posts. Yes, some stuff slips through, but, for the most part, I believe I do a pretty good job. I'm not part of the "Grammar and Spelling Goon Squad", but I do notice who has a command of the English Language. This leads me to believe others notice also.

Even though it's "just an internet message board" doesn't mean people that have influence and can help your career don't read this board. Why not help your own cause out?:insane:

Okay, back to the argument...
 
txpilot said:
Well, when said post is defending one's college and how edumicated one is, then I would tend to agree with Chris.
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Exactly my point. Would you expect someone who is going to Harvard to spell like that? Of course not. I think one of the problems is that none of these aviation schools are truly selective. Harvard is selective. UND/ERAU/Purdue are not. When you let in the LCD, you have to teach to the LCD.
 
Chris_Ford said:
Exactly my point. Would you expect someone who is going to Harvard to spell like that? Of course not. I think one of the problems is that none of these aviation schools are truly selective. Harvard is selective. UND/ERAU/Purdue are not. When you let in the LCD, you have to teach to the LCD.
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They are selective...do you have the money or the way to get money to pay them? If not, you're not going. Harvard, you'd better have the money and the grades, along with extracurricular activities, to back it up.
 
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