What Does This Mean?

[badboy8787]

Hi im reading some of the requirements for some airlines..I am a bit confused. This is for JetBlue.

1500 Hrs Total time in airlpanes
1000 Hrs Turbine Time
1000 Hrs Pilot in Command
1000 Hrs in Airplanes greater than 20,000 lbs

Does it mean that out of 1500 total time, 1000 of it must be turbine? or you need 1500 and in addtion to that 1000 hours of turbine and so on. And now does Pilot in Command work? Any input will be appreciated.. thanks.

 

[jrh]

Hi im reading some of the requirements for some airlines..I am a bit confused. This is for JetBlue.

1500 Hrs Total time in airlpanes
1000 Hrs Turbine Time
1000 Hrs Pilot in Command
1000 Hrs in Airplanes greater than 20,000 lbs

Does it mean that out of 1500 total time, 1000 of it must be turbine?

That is correct. These requirements mean 1500 hours in airplanes, not 4500 hours.

And now does Pilot in Command work?

It can get kind of complicated, but basically, PIC time = any time a person is certified to fly the aircraft and is the final authority for the flight.

Examples include a student pilot flying solo, a licensed pilot flying any plane that they are certified for, or in the airline world, any time flown as a captain. First officers (in other words, "co-pilots") at airlines log their time as "Second in Command," or "SIC."

 

[kmiller]

What about if the F/O is the PF for a particular leg...how does he log that?

 

[derg]

What about if the F/O is the PF for a particular leg...how does he log that?

SIC. Whether the FO is typed or not.

Even though the FO is "pilot flying" he is not the sole authority. Besides, if you were a type rated FO and logged it as PIC, the FAA is going to inquire about your last 'route check' by the airline's air carrier inspector in order to qualify you to operate as PIC under the airline's operating certificate.

Clear as a heavy lead curtain?

 

[badboy8787]

SIC. Whether the FO is typed or not.

Even though the FO is "pilot flying" he is not the sole authority.)



So that means that an F/O is NOT considered as a Pilot In Command, and his time in the flight deck with the Captain will NOT count towards PIC hours.

 

[CFIse]

SIC. Whether the FO is typed or not.

Even though the FO is "pilot flying" he is not the sole authority.)

So that means that an F/O is NOT considered as a Pilot In Command, and his time in the flight deck with the Captain will NOT count towards PIC hours.

The question you ask depends. What KIND if PIC hours? If the FO is typed then they can LOG it as PIC, even though clearly they aren't ACTING as PIC.

Most (all?) airlines want you to report PIC time as that time you were ACTING as PIC (or put another way, you signed for the airplane) - and they'll be clear about that on their applications.

Since (to generalise) PIC hours are only good for 2 things, certificates and jobs, and since we'll assume that the FO either has or has already met the PIC qualifications for an ATP then there's no point in logging typed time in the right seat as PIC even though you could, and perhaps it makes it easier to figure out your hours on your next application which will almost certainly require ACTING PIC time.

But - an FO who meets all the requirments of 61.51 to log the time as PIC can certainly log the time as PIC - much good may it do them.

 

[launchpad]

SIC. Whether the FO is typed or not.

Even though the FO is "pilot flying" he is not the sole authority.)



So that means that an F/O is NOT considered as a Pilot In Command, and his time in the flight deck with the Captain will NOT count towards PIC hours.

Exactly...an FO is Second in Command.......the only one who is First in command is the Captain. In Fact, since the captain is the head goombah on the flight, he can (if he wants to be a serious pr**k) be the pilot flying (or the pilot not flying) for ALL of the legs........The FO only needs to do 3 landings in 90 days in order to be qualified to fly........the PIC issue only involves who the big boss on the airplane is. The captain is that person...all decisions come from him, unless he ate the fish and is incapacitated.