Westwind's reputation

No Im not the Chief I was an Instructor there. MX happens, it has happened everywhere that i have worked from the schools to the airlines.


Westwind did great for me and to be honest I was glad to see you leave. You had a way of manipulating the facts to fit your needs and you still do.

A 100% on the written test, all i can say is you must have had a terrible instrutor to pass your exams and a checkride with June.

Yep sounds like they really screwed you, get over yourself.




CLR4ILS said:
Well, you must have me mistaken for someone else. Unless you (CRJ279) are the acting Chief Pilot. For he and one of the old owners are the only ones that I ever got into a conflict with due to the bad training and of course, all of the cancelled flights due to MX.

The training and the structure of the school was some of the worst I had ever seen. Not to mention watching the Chief pilot and director of stands fight EVERY day.

The MX was terrible and flights were CONSTANTLY cancelled because of it.

Don't tell me about putting more effort into my training. I finished up at FSA with a 94% average on ALL written, oral, and flight exams. I recieved 3 letters of outstanding achievment from the Chief Pilot to boot....

At Westwind I had the highest grade in the class on the final (100%), and did very well on my checkride with June Bonesteel....

You are right about one thing though... you will only get out what you put into the training. However, you must have the right tools and guidance (ie. your instructor, Chief Pilot, A/C, syllabus, SOP etc...) to get the job done right. Unfortunatley, Westwind could not provide that and still can't from what I hear....

Nice try...


ILS
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CRJ279 said:
No Im not the Chief I was an Instructor there. MX happens, it has happened everywhere that i have worked from the schools to the airlines.


Westwind did great for me and to be honest I was glad to see you leave. You had a way of manipulating the facts to fit your needs and you still do.

A 100% on the written test, all i can say is you must have had a terrible instrutor to pass your exams and a checkride with June.

Yep sounds like they really screwed you, get over yourself.
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It was for CFI and I attribute my success on that exam and ride to what I learned from Flight Safety during the CIME program there prior to attending WestWind. Not to mention that I had to use the CFI syllabus and checklists for the A/C to include the maneuvers from Flight Safety because Westwinds sucked and/or they didn't have one.

MX HAPPENS????? Not like that my friend. I had 13 cancelled flights during one rating and the first flight on my CFI ride cancelled for their crappy MX. Yeah, a three week delay between flights during your right seat transition is OK huh? This is where Jerry Dilk and Jim Pitman should have shined by taking care of things and all they did was make empty promises to correct the situation. Jerry Dilk said he would pay for any and all review flights during this MX problem. Never saw the credit to the account.


Glad to see me leave? You don't even know me. Last post you had me confused with someone else. Let me remind you that there were three former students from FSA that moved out west and gave WW a shot. Let me also remind you that all three ran for the door because Westwind could not even come close to the training we recieved as FSA and the training and business practices were for crap at Westwind.

Do not try to blow sunshine up my A _ _ or anyone elses. The school has screwed alot of people and is now paying for it by the lack of students there. They will close eventually.

It's no wonder they sold the FBO side and hanger of the company to bale the company out. They know they can make more by screwing flight students...

Your right..... Enough Said....

ILS
 
250blue said:
Not true. They don't charge you s***t if you leave (Pan AM across the street did at one time, don't know if they still do).

Also, that loan is for you to control (as I did). I took it as I saw fit and deposited it on that basis - if you feel pressured to do something you don't want to then that is a personal problem. As for the Right Seat Program, all it did for me was get me a great job, as well as most of my successful friends that came out of there (6 I can think of are Captains by now). You've got to realize that no one is going to get you a job and hold your hand. You take control of your own training, build connections, pound the pavement and take it in the direction you want it to go. Isn't that what a Captain is all about anyway?

I'm sure FSI and other schools are great and they have good reputations, but there is no reason to bag on a place that has worked out well for most of us. While I was there, I saw many students who I knew shouldn't be allowed to Captain a UPS truck much less an airplane, and those were the guys complaining all the time. I'm glad they were weeded out and moved on to something else, that's a hard lesson they learned. I think this school worked best for those who could take control of their own destiny and did not need much guidance. If I felt there was something I didn't agree with, I flat out didn't do it. Don't know much about what is going on there now as I haven't been there for about a year and a half. Good Luck to Everyone!!!
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I took control of my own destiny and left that place. Now I have a great 121 job. I never once put Wastewind on my resume. People ask me where I got my ratings and I just say a small FBO. I saw enough over there to draw my own conclusions.
 
CLR4ILS said:
It was for CFI and I attribute my success on that exam and ride to what I learned from Flight Safety during the CIME program there prior to attending WestWind. Not to mention that I had to use the CFI syllabus and checklists for the A/C to include the maneuvers from Flight Safety because Westwinds sucked and/or they didn't have one.

MX HAPPENS????? Not like that my friend. I had 13 cancelled flights during one rating and the first flight on my CFI ride cancelled for their crappy MX. Yeah, a three week delay between flights during your right seat transition is OK huh? This is where Jerry Dilk and Jim Pitman should have shined by taking care of things and all they did was make empty promises to correct the situation. Jerry Dilk said he would pay for any and all review flights during this MX problem. Never saw the credit to the account.


Glad to see me leave? You don't even know me. Last post you had me confused with someone else. Let me remind you that there were three former students from FSA that moved out west and gave WW a shot. Let me also remind you that all three ran for the door because Westwind could not even come close to the training we recieved as FSA and the training and business practices were for crap at Westwind.

Do not try to blow sunshine up my A _ _ or anyone elses. The school has screwed alot of people and is now paying for it by the lack of students there. They will close eventually.

It's no wonder they sold the FBO side and hanger of the company to bale the company out. They know they can make more by screwing flight students...

Your right..... Enough Said....

ILS
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Fuel and MX were sold. Ron did not bail out on anything, he is old. I could be wrong about who you are but i dont think so. Jerry was a blow hard sack of Sh--, we all know that. Mx problems do happen, for whatever reason. If he offered a something he should have followed through. WSA was hurt by his BS and I was glad to see him go.

Im not blowing sunshine anywhere.
this is getting pretty old, were not going to agree on this. I had a great expirence there and im sorry that you did not.
 
Well it's obvious westwind or worstwind as somepeople call it is finally getting what they deserve. Go walk around the place and it is a ghost town. What you get at westwind is a mortgage payment with no house, nice uniform, waste of money CRM training by people who have never worked at an airline, a job with no students which is that really a job?? and a bunch of useless books they scam you with when you start your training. They make it sound like they have all these connections when in reality anyone could call airnet or mesa and get a job on their own; they act like airlines really care where you did your flight training. Poor management and a slowing in american flight training are going to kill that place. When I went there they used the king CD's and syllabus, didn't even have their own until I was a CFI and called it a professional flight program. The only thing I have to thank westwind for is I did make a lot of very good friends and they all have the same viewpoint as me.
 
Chopshop said:
Well it's obvious westwind or worstwind as somepeople call it is finally getting what they deserve. Go walk around the place and it is a ghost town. What you get at westwind is a mortgage payment with no house, nice uniform, waste of money CRM training by people who have never worked at an airline, a job with no students which is that really a job?? and a bunch of useless books they scam you with when you start your training. They make it sound like they have all these connections when in reality anyone could call airnet or mesa and get a job on their own; they act like airlines really care where you did your flight training. Poor management and a slowing in american flight training are going to kill that place. When I went there they used the king CD's and syllabus, didn't even have their own until I was a CFI and called it a professional flight program. The only thing I have to thank westwind for is I did make a lot of very good friends and they all have the same viewpoint as me.
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Last time I checked the CRM class was taught by 2 retired airline captains, don't know when you went there.

True airlines don't care about where you did your flight training, however it will show in an interview where you did your flight training (if you ever had one).

True mesa will hire just about anyone right now and they don't have contracts with airlines to get you hired, but what flight school does? Westwind grads (other than yourself) aren't having a hard time getting hired right now, and that IS something to look for in a flight school.
 
NewbieAirlinePilot said:
Last time I checked the CRM class was taught by 2 retired airline captains, don't know when you went there.

True airlines don't care about where you did your flight training, however it will show in an interview where you did your flight training (if you ever had one).

True mesa will hire just about anyone right now and they don't have contracts with airlines to get you hired, but what flight school does? Westwind grads (other than yourself) aren't having a hard time getting hired right now, and that IS something to look for in a flight school.
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This guy is obviously management at worstwind. I looked at all his posts he has ever posted and they only try to defend a sinking ship or rip on the FBO in glendale. Look past at all worstwind complaints vs compliments and you can see your fighting a uphill battle NEWBIEAIRLINEPILOT. Guy takes a shot at me when he has no idea who I am. CRM at westwind is a waste of money even if it's taught by chuck yeager. Worstwind's CRM was taught by 3 basic instructors when I was there and Terry Z who knew systems well. I have had an airline interview and they only asked me questions about my current job and current plane flying.
 
franknes said:
Ah, I see out of KSDL then. Pretty harsh words for a place that just helped you land a job.
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I don't get what you are getting at??? I'm not ripping on the training I got at westwind but the price and unnecessary programs they have (Loft and Right seat transition, not letting you do CFII and MEI together). I don't flight instruct and I what do you mean westwind help me get a job???
 
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