Well done gear up emergency landing (1999)

Of course it stops in the runway intersection. What's the odds of that? (It is Vegas after all)

Strange flash of fire after it stops.
 
I am wondering that since the single point for the Hawker is underneath the tail, that the flashing afterwards was a bit of fuel vapor?
 
Inverted said:
I am wondering that since the single point for the Hawker is underneath the tail, that the flashing afterwards was a bit of fuel vapor?
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It looked like it came from the fuel manifold up under the chin fairing. It could be vapors from the back as you said that made their way forward along the keel.
 
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@MikeD Do you have the footage of the Hakwer aborting a takeoff at SNA 5-10 years ago when the tires explode? I've never been able to track that down.
 
sweeps said:
@MikeD Do you have the footage of the Hakwer aborting a takeoff at SNA 5-10 years ago when the tires explode? I've never been able to track that down.
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You mean this incident?

Accident occurred Monday, October 29, 2007 in Santa Ana, CA
Probable Cause Approval Date: 1/31/2008
Aircraft: Raytheon Corporate Jets Hawker 800XP, registration: N800CC
Injuries: 8 Uninjured.

The pilot reported that during the first takeoff attempt, he noted that the engine was not spooling up normally and he aborted the takeoff, utilizing minimal braking to exit the runway. The airplane was taxied back for takeoff and 3 minutes later, the flight was cleared for takeoff again. During the takeoff roll, the pilot noted a warning light and again aborted the takeoff when the airplane was traveling at 20 to 30 knots, with minimal braking again used to exit the runway. The airplane taxied back once again and was cleared for takeoff 9 minutes later. During the takeoff roll for the third attempt, the pilot stated that at about 85 knots, he felt a rumble and heard a "pop" as the airplane started to drift to the left. The pilot called for an abort and was able to keep the airplane on the runway, eventually traveling into the overrun area at the end of the runway. The tower notified the flight crew that there was smoke and fire coming from the left main gear.

Inspection of the landing gear found that the left main landing gear tires overheated and blew during the third takeoff attempt. The hydraulic line on the left main landing gear was severed when the tire blew and hydraulic fluid leaked out onto the hot brake surface and ignited. All of the wheels fusible plugs were blown. The Raytheon Aircraft Airplane Flight Manual states a required waiting period from completion of taxi-in following a rejected takeoff from a speed of 90 knots indicated airspeed or less, to before start of taxi-out for takeoff. After a single rejected takeoff, a waiting period of 25 minutes is required. After two or more successive rejected takeoffs, a waiting period of 45 minutes is required.

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:

The failure of the pilot-in-command to follow procedures stipulated in the airplane flight manual regarding brake cooling time periods. Factors contributing to the accident were the intentional aborted takeoffs which resulted in the hot brakes, and the subsequent landing gear tire bursting.

I looked for a video but couldn't find one.
 
Murdoughnut said:
What's the logic behind not using reverse thrust? I'm sure it's something entirely sensible - just curious.
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Probably possible loss of directional control, not being on the landing gear and all, if the reversers don't activate exactly the same or at the same rate. The landing gear at least somewhat stabilizes that lateral movement, if any, to where the crew wouldn't notice normally. But with no gear and on the belly, the chance of loss of ground control I would imagine to be a greater possibility.

That and they had already secured the engines at or just prior to touchdown.
 
A Life Aloft said:
You mean this incident?

Accident occurred Monday, October 29, 2007 in Santa Ana, CA
Probable Cause Approval Date: 1/31/2008
Aircraft: Raytheon Corporate Jets Hawker 800XP, registration: N800CC
Injuries: 8 Uninjured.

The pilot reported that during the first takeoff attempt, he noted that the engine was not spooling up normally and he aborted the takeoff, utilizing minimal braking to exit the runway. The airplane was taxied back for takeoff and 3 minutes later, the flight was cleared for takeoff again. During the takeoff roll, the pilot noted a warning light and again aborted the takeoff when the airplane was traveling at 20 to 30 knots, with minimal braking again used to exit the runway. The airplane taxied back once again and was cleared for takeoff 9 minutes later. During the takeoff roll for the third attempt, the pilot stated that at about 85 knots, he felt a rumble and heard a "pop" as the airplane started to drift to the left. The pilot called for an abort and was able to keep the airplane on the runway, eventually traveling into the overrun area at the end of the runway. The tower notified the flight crew that there was smoke and fire coming from the left main gear.

Inspection of the landing gear found that the left main landing gear tires overheated and blew during the third takeoff attempt. The hydraulic line on the left main landing gear was severed when the tire blew and hydraulic fluid leaked out onto the hot brake surface and ignited. All of the wheels fusible plugs were blown. The Raytheon Aircraft Airplane Flight Manual states a required waiting period from completion of taxi-in following a rejected takeoff from a speed of 90 knots indicated airspeed or less, to before start of taxi-out for takeoff. After a single rejected takeoff, a waiting period of 25 minutes is required. After two or more successive rejected takeoffs, a waiting period of 45 minutes is required.

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:

The failure of the pilot-in-command to follow procedures stipulated in the airplane flight manual regarding brake cooling time periods. Factors contributing to the accident were the intentional aborted takeoffs which resulted in the hot brakes, and the subsequent landing gear tire bursting.

I looked for a video but couldn't find one.
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What a dip *redacted* One thing I learned never to mess with is wheels and brakes. After going through Metro school and learning about the Metro that crashed in Canada over the threshold because it had a dragging brake on takeoff, never ever mess with brake cooling times.
 
A Life Aloft said:
You mean this incident?

Accident occurred Monday, October 29, 2007 in Santa Ana, CA
Probable Cause Approval Date: 1/31/2008
Aircraft: Raytheon Corporate Jets Hawker 800XP, registration: N800CC
Injuries: 8 Uninjured.


I looked for a video but couldn't find one.
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Yes that's the one. The ARFF guys at SNA would show that during our fire training for driving the refuelers. Always wanted a copy of it.
 
A Life Aloft said:
You mean this incident?


During the takeoff roll for the third attempt, the pilot stated that at about 85 knots, he felt a rumble and heard a "pop" as the airplane started to drift to the left. The pilot called for an abort and was able to keep the airplane on the runway, eventually traveling into the overrun area at the end of the runway. The tower notified the flight crew that there was smoke and fire coming from the left main gear.
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Seems odd that an abort at 85 knots could use up close to 6000 feet of pavement from start to finish. What would have happened if they aborted right at V1??
 
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