ways to go from CPL to 1000TT w/o CFI'ing?

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gtpilot said:
Disclaimer - this was not meant as a personal attack and feel free to regard my opine as BS also. Here ya go surreal! :nana2: :D
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Huh?

What?

I only CFI/CFII/MEI so I could build time to get hired on at a regional. I'm going to use my regional phase to build time to 135 minimums. Isn't that what we're all suppose to be doing? :sarcasm:

But really. . .why reference my name? I just want to fly with someone who actually has some damn experience in either a crew environment (CFI, 121) or real world experience in light twins and has scared him/herself to death and some how lived to see another day.

Just my personal opinion on the matter.
 
Again, TX; I challenge you to at a mininum, at least take and pass your CFI checkride, regardless if you have any intentions on instructing or not. After passing the checkride, whether you decide to give any instruction is up to you, but at least preparing for and taking the checkride will make you a better pilot. You just dont know until you have walked a mile in someone else's shoes, or for a better term, really applied yourself to the task at hand. You say you have tried to teach people how to DJ. How much teaching actually went on? Did you sit down prior to the lesson and prepare a syllabus and lesson plan? Did you try alternative approaches to the teaching process when a method wasn't working? Thats what flight instucting is about, and until you actually apply yourself to it, you just dont know if you will in fact hate it or not.
 
Another point I would like to make. No matter if you are a Captain on a Beech 1900, Citation X at Netjets, or a 747 Captain at United, you are 'CFI everyday you go to work.

You are managing a flight to get an objective done safely and in a professional environment.
 
MikeOH58 said:
Again, TX; I challenge you to at a mininum, at least take and pass your CFI checkride, regardless if you have any intentions on instructing or not. After passing the checkride, whether you decide to give any instruction is up to you, but at least preparing for and taking the checkride will make you a better pilot. You just dont know until you have walked a mile in someone else's shoes, or for a better term, really applied yourself to the task at hand. You say you have tried to teach people how to DJ. How much teaching actually went on? Did you sit down prior to the lesson and prepare a syllabus and lesson plan? Did you try alternative approaches to the teaching process when a method wasn't working? Thats what flight instucting is about, and until you actually apply yourself to it, you just dont know if you will in fact hate it or not.
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ok it must have been missed by a lot of the people posting here, but in the next two semesters whether i like it or not ill end up with a CFII as part of the bachelors degree program here. so everyone telling me to #### and get the CFI, chill the hell out.

i would never have expected to have people so worked up about simply asking about what other jobs are out there. holy crap.
 
TXaviator said:
ok it must have been missed by a lot of the people posting here, but in the next two semesters whether i like it or not ill end up with a CFII as part of the bachelors degree program here. so everyone telling me to #### and get the CFI, chill the hell out.

i would never have expected to have people so worked up about simply asking about what other jobs are out there. holy crap.
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I think the fact that you want to by-pass being a CFI is offensive to people on here. Thats why everyone is jumping down your throat.

I know people that didn't CFI and bought 200 hours of time to get to the regionals. To some people this is perceived as a shortcut and someone who doesn't want to be an aviator, but a button pusher with a cool hat at the airlines.

If someone tells you that being a CFI is not going to better you than they are lying of didnt have the balls to do it themselves.
 
ryanmickG said:
I think the fact that you want to by-pass being a CFI is offensive to people on here. Thats why everyone is jumping down your throat.

I know people that didn't CFI and bought 200 hours of time to get to the regionals. To some people this is perceived as a shortcut and someone who doesn't want to be an aviator, but a button pusher with a cool hat at the airlines.

If someone tells you that being a CFI is not going to better you than they are lying of didnt have the balls to do it themselves.
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now i dont really buy that either. it was clearly stated im not out to buy time, im legitimately looking to put some feelers out there for what kind of WORK options i have as a fledgling pilot. im not looking to buy a shortcut.... but whatever, some people clearly have said their piece already, and I see the true colors now....
 
I don't think anyone is getting worked up brother. I think some are doing this :banghead: because you refuse to listen to anyone that has any experience worth a damn. Yet you listen to the PPLs and fresh IR peeps that say:yeahthat: you don't need to CFI.

I challenge you to at least try instructing after you get your ratings with your degree. I honestly think it'll make you a better pilot and you'll be glad you did.

I think you would receive more of an answer you are looking for if you approached the questions like this: What are some jobs that I can build time using my fresh commercial license before I get my CFI? I'm sure there would be guys jumping all of this to help you out. What that shows is a motivated individual that is taking charge of his career and not waiting for his school to make his career choices. What many get from the question you posted is you are admiting you won't be a good cockpit crew member and not many people are going to bend over backwards to get you in the same office with a view. Why should someone help you out when you are telling them you aren't willing to try something?
 
mikecweb said:
I don't think anyone is getting worked up brother. I think some are doing this :banghead: because you refuse to listen to anyone that has any experience worth a damn. Yet you listen to the PPLs and fresh IR peeps that say:yeahthat: you don't need to CFI.

I challenge you to at least try instructing after you get your ratings with your degree. I honestly think it'll make you a better pilot and you'll be glad you did.

I think you would receive more of an answer you are looking for if you approached the questions like this: What are some jobs that I can build time using my fresh commercial license before I get my CFI? I'm sure there would be guys jumping all of this to help you out. What that shows is a motivated individual that is taking charge of his career and not waiting for his school to make his career choices. What many get from the question you posted is you are admiting you won't be a good cockpit crew member and not many people are going to bend over backwards to get you in the same office with a view. Why should someone help you out when you are telling them you aren't willing to try something?
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well maybe i worded it funny, but i thought that was exactly what i was asking.

but school making career choices for me? hardly. if i went that route id already be in line to put on a UND flight instructor uniform. in my mind, i thought i was maybe using some determination and showing ambition to do some hunting and find an alternative job instead of letting the school make my career choices... maybe it only seemed like that to me, i dunno. and 5 pages back at my original post, i indicated that i already have heard the many virtues of flight instruction, but was looking for alternatives. i stand by my notion that theres zero harm in looking for alternatives and doing a little leg work and trying to investigate via networking....

i think maybe my motives were colored by preconcieved notions of "the guy who pays to be in the right seat"?? which, i most certainly am not.... but i dont blame anyone if they thought that or have encountered those types before me...

im just saying, im out starting looking for work, and looking at all options.

perhaps my own personal experience/expectations are colored by a roommate who graduated before me and already had some decent gigs flying weather mod, caribbean cargo, and so forth....but come on, when a buddy graduates and goes right to living the good life in the islands... can ya blame me for trying? ;)
 
TXaviator said:
perhaps my own personal experience/expectations are colored by a roommate who graduated before me and already had some decent gigs flying weather mod, caribbean cargo, and so forth....but come on, when a buddy graduates and goes right to living the good life in the islands... can ya blame me for trying? ;)
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If you're looking to network, that's how you do it. Its not saying "hey, I'm looking for a job, want to get to know me so you can recommend me for a job?" Its getting to know people and then having them WANT to recommend you.
 
The problem you have in asking this question at JC TX is that this is forum has several young buck boyz who value being right far more then giving rightous advice. Ths CFI vs non CFI argument is idiotic at best, pointless at worse. I didn't CFI, didn't even get the rating and if you match my non CFI regional F/O skills up against any CFI holding regional F/O with the same amount of hours you know what you'll get? Two low time F/O's that are lucky they got hired in the regional craze of 08"! And at 1500tt with 1000 multi....yes...I'm still low time. Personally, I think this argument stems from the fact that a few of these guys lack enough life experiance and adult objectivity to see anyone else's point of view as being valid...especially if such a person is flying a 50,00lb regional jet and barely being old enough to drink....it's a recipe for obtuse arrogance....but everyone eventually grows up. Thankfully MOST of the pilots here on JC that match the young RJ pilot criteria are quite matture and usually have good advice to hand out.

You posed a good question, got mostly useless BS in response but there has been some good advice here. The most important factor for your challange is "desire". The old addige "where there is a will there is a way" has a lot of weight in your upcoming challenge.

You have chosen a difficult path to get your career going. But you'll be tougher in the long run for it. I did it by just networking at my local airport. Getting an office job at a flight school and wound up getting time flying part 91 stuff for free as a sub pilot for a local guy that contracted out to some local mid-sized companies.

I'd say unless you want to go military, get a job at an FBO and network, network, network. Let the corporate and 135 guys that come and go get to know you and your work ethic. You'd be suprised how quick opportunities can arise out of pumping gas into a wing.
 
I could give my perspective on the issue, but then I'd be called an elitist.

Then I'd say why I hold the perspective I do and give some examples that gave me the perspective I do, but then I'd be called a "young buck" who probably doesn't know what he's talking about.

Somebody ask me at NJC, I'm kind of getting sick of going around and around about this, to tell you the truth.
 
RightSeatGirl said:
The problem you have in asking this question at JC TX is that this is forum has several young buck boyz who value being right far more then giving rightous advice. Ths CFI vs non CFI argument is idiotic at best, pointless at worse. I didn't CFI, didn't even get the rating and if you match my non CFI regional F/O skills up against any CFI holding regional F/O with the same amount of hours you know what you'll get? Two low time F/O's that are lucky they got hired in the regional craze of 08"! And at 1500tt with 1000 multi....yes...I'm still low time. Personally, I think this argument stems from the fact that a few of these guys lack enough life experiance and adult objectivity to see anyone else's point of view as being valid...especially if such a person is flying a 50,00lb regional jet and barely being old enough to drink....it's a recipe for obtuse arrogance....but everyone eventually grows up.

You posed a good question, got mostly useless BS in response but there has been some good advice here. The most important factor for your challange is "desire". The old addige "where there is a will there is a way" has a lot of weight in your upcoming challenge.

You have chosen a difficult path to get your career going. But you'll be tougher in the long run for it. I did it by just networking at my local airport. Getting an office job at a flight school and wound up getting time flying part 91 stuff for free as a sub pilot for a local guy that contracted out to some local mid-sized companies.

I'd say unless you want to go military, get a job at an FBO and network, network, network. Let the corporate and 135 guys that come and go get to know you and your work ethic. You'd be suprised how quick opportunities can arise out of pumping gas into a wing.
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Wow!! You fly a 5,000 lb. jet?

Cool!
 
RightSeatGirl said:
I did it by just networking at my local airport. Getting an office job at a flight school and wound up getting time flying part 91 stuff for free as a sub pilot for a local guy that contracted out to some local mid-sized companies.
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Two questions..

What's a sub pilot?

What are you goinig to do when you need immediate cash after you get furloughed?
 
meritflyer said:
Two questions..

What's a sub pilot?

What are you goinig to do when you need immediate cash after you get furloughed?
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Sub as in substitute.....:rolleyes:..Pay attention we're gonna have a quiz later...

Answer to second completely off-topic question.......dust off my class "A" CDL and make $55k truckin until the market opens up again.....you?

And I deeply apologize that you seem to feel so offended at that fact that I am far from a perfect typist...I promise to do better in the future just to appease the all knowing all mighty meritboy. I'll run right down to the local community college and sign up for a typing class. I'll make sure to tell them if I don't pass I'll never be able to be a good pilot and it was you that said so okay?
 
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