Keep in mind that when a school starts having problems, Key Bank will pull out and not allow any new student loans for flight training. This is probably a result of the former ATA (Airline Training Academy) closing and loss of student's money's. Tab Express was the latest example and probably closed because Key Bank pulled the plug. The Tab students were not hired as promised by management, and therefore could not pay back the loan. If rumors persist and Key Bank gets nervious, watch your money. DCA is no exception reguardless of who they align with. I find it rather interesting that they advertise openings for CFI's when they claim to issue more pilot certificates each year than any other flight school. Does this mean that their CFI program is lacking and can't supply sufficient CFI's for their own school?
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FO_SHIZZLE
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Your rumors of shutdown and shady financial practices are coming from the same guy that said this in another thread:
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You think I won't be in the right seat next to you at an airline, your right.
I'll be your Captain, asking you if you want your diaper changed, then I'll ding the flight attendant to do it, and have her burp you, too.
Oh by the way, baby want his bottle?
I did spell your name right didn't I?
Pisrep or Pirep, go figure.
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So you might want to think about how credible these rumors are.
At any rate I thought Key pulled the plug on TAB because they were not college accredited, DCA is accredited so they are a different case.
I believe they have always adverteised on their website for CFI's probably for EOE consideration. You will see the hours are quite high so if they were really needing instructors I'm sure they would rachet that down a bit.
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You think I won't be in the right seat next to you at an airline, your right.
I'll be your Captain, asking you if you want your diaper changed, then I'll ding the flight attendant to do it, and have her burp you, too.
Oh by the way, baby want his bottle?
I did spell your name right didn't I?
Pisrep or Pirep, go figure.
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So you might want to think about how credible these rumors are.
At any rate I thought Key pulled the plug on TAB because they were not college accredited, DCA is accredited so they are a different case.
I believe they have always adverteised on their website for CFI's probably for EOE consideration. You will see the hours are quite high so if they were really needing instructors I'm sure they would rachet that down a bit.
FatBastard
New Member
How nice Fo, select qouting.
Why is it, when the pro DCA guys/gals say something nasty you ignore that?
And who is starting rumors about the school shutting down?
Not the bastard, my post dealt with those who felt they were taken advantage of or perhaps victimized! Period! End of story. And they were given outlets for that, plus a concerned view from sources higher up, That's it!
mmmm kay? The concern is if something were to happen at DCA be prepared!!
And if you have issues that are not being addressed you have another way of addressing those.
I love enlightening conversation, don't you?
Why is it, when the pro DCA guys/gals say something nasty you ignore that?
And who is starting rumors about the school shutting down?
Not the bastard, my post dealt with those who felt they were taken advantage of or perhaps victimized! Period! End of story. And they were given outlets for that, plus a concerned view from sources higher up, That's it!
mmmm kay? The concern is if something were to happen at DCA be prepared!!
And if you have issues that are not being addressed you have another way of addressing those.
I love enlightening conversation, don't you?
FO_SHIZZLE
Well-Known Member
I don't quote the entire thing because it's super long and most does not apply to this conversation. People can simply refer back to your post for the full thing.
Okay maybe you were not making rumors about closure, but threats of causing one. Sorry, my bad. You do continue to spread rumors of the Key issue which none of us really know is true or not.
The only other person that post things as personal and unprofessional may be mnixon, but since he is a friend of mine I can discuss that with him on our own time, if you want to do the same, let me know. He has not really said anything like that in a while so that leaves only one. I'm sure you are a professional person and a nice guy but your consistant personal attacks and childish posts are not becoming of you.
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And if you have issues that are not being addressed you have another way of addressing those.
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And what would that be?
Okay maybe you were not making rumors about closure, but threats of causing one. Sorry, my bad. You do continue to spread rumors of the Key issue which none of us really know is true or not.
The only other person that post things as personal and unprofessional may be mnixon, but since he is a friend of mine I can discuss that with him on our own time, if you want to do the same, let me know. He has not really said anything like that in a while so that leaves only one. I'm sure you are a professional person and a nice guy but your consistant personal attacks and childish posts are not becoming of you.
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And if you have issues that are not being addressed you have another way of addressing those.
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And what would that be?
FatBastard
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I don't quote the entire thing because it's super long and most does not apply to this conversation. People can simply refer back to your post for the full thing.
Okay maybe you were not making rumors about closure, but threats of causing one. Sorry, my bad. You do continue to spread rumors of the Key issue which none of us really know is true or not.
The only other person that post things as personal and unprofessional may be mnixon, but since he is a friend of mine I can discuss that with him on our own time, if you want to do the same, let me know. He has not really said anything like that in a while so that leaves only one. I'm sure you are a professional person and a nice guy but your consistant personal attacks and childish posts are not becoming of you.
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And if you have issues that are not being addressed you have another way of addressing those.
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And what would that be?
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You know Fo, I'll say this. I am concerned that you guys don't know about the Key Bank issue or whether its' true or not.
It is, but apparently someone doesn't want you guys to know about it.
If you have money with DCA through Key, please take all measures to protect it.
Ya know, if a person, company or individual are being unethical, its' just a matter of time before it catches up to them for all the world to see, then they are exposed for what they really are.
I give you Tab, ATA and Enron as examples and all the not so faithful marriage mates.
The same will hold true with DCA. If you don't do whats' right, it'll come back to bite you very,very hard. ( Thus the reason my boss, Dr. Evil always fail in his attempts to take over the world, but bastards are in it only for the money- and babies.
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Okay, about the childish post thing, I should have put this tag on it >
But we bastards are emotionlly fragile, and with pireps post of me not making it to the airline, well that just really wasn't cool. Doesn't mean I had to respond in kind though.
And if the customer service at DCA which I know from personal encounter leaves a lot to be desired-and I do mean a lot- you have other options, Florida Attorney General, Mr. Buttrell and getting in on class action legal action against said instution.
I do not feel sorry at all for any actions DCA may have to render an account for, We're all gonna do it one day, rather on the job or some other place.
Till then Fo, take care, and while you don't agree with everything I say here, please watch/protect your money man.
If something does go down up there, I don't want to see this :
kay?
I don't quote the entire thing because it's super long and most does not apply to this conversation. People can simply refer back to your post for the full thing.
Okay maybe you were not making rumors about closure, but threats of causing one. Sorry, my bad. You do continue to spread rumors of the Key issue which none of us really know is true or not.
The only other person that post things as personal and unprofessional may be mnixon, but since he is a friend of mine I can discuss that with him on our own time, if you want to do the same, let me know. He has not really said anything like that in a while so that leaves only one. I'm sure you are a professional person and a nice guy but your consistant personal attacks and childish posts are not becoming of you.
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And if you have issues that are not being addressed you have another way of addressing those.
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And what would that be?
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You know Fo, I'll say this. I am concerned that you guys don't know about the Key Bank issue or whether its' true or not.
It is, but apparently someone doesn't want you guys to know about it.
If you have money with DCA through Key, please take all measures to protect it.
Ya know, if a person, company or individual are being unethical, its' just a matter of time before it catches up to them for all the world to see, then they are exposed for what they really are.
I give you Tab, ATA and Enron as examples and all the not so faithful marriage mates.
The same will hold true with DCA. If you don't do whats' right, it'll come back to bite you very,very hard. ( Thus the reason my boss, Dr. Evil always fail in his attempts to take over the world, but bastards are in it only for the money- and babies.
Okay, about the childish post thing, I should have put this tag on it >
But we bastards are emotionlly fragile, and with pireps post of me not making it to the airline, well that just really wasn't cool. Doesn't mean I had to respond in kind though.
And if the customer service at DCA which I know from personal encounter leaves a lot to be desired-and I do mean a lot- you have other options, Florida Attorney General, Mr. Buttrell and getting in on class action legal action against said instution.
I do not feel sorry at all for any actions DCA may have to render an account for, We're all gonna do it one day, rather on the job or some other place.
Till then Fo, take care, and while you don't agree with everything I say here, please watch/protect your money man.
If something does go down up there, I don't want to see this :
Z28_Pilot
New Member
How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you keep refering to yourself as "the bastard" and make references that make us all believe that you have Austin Powers - Goldmember playing in the background on continuous loop?.......you maybe should consider turning off the blacklights and slipping out of hollywood for long enough to convince us that you're more than 12 years old?
MuscleShirt
New Member
"Muscles, I can't speak for Vic, and your thinly vieled threat is wasted here. You ought to use that for ones you may intimidate - namely DCA students (Not all of em, of course). I informed the consumer and will continue to do so. Now you speak of business DCA sends his way.
Yea, a lot of dissatisfied customers who got tired of DCAs' garbage. And if the school did shut down, I am sure Vic would be ready to assist those customers, like he's doing with Tab Express Students. Vic is a classy guy, so please don't bring him up in this forum and even suggest he would play politics like that."
I'm sorry if that came off as a threat, FB. In no way did I intend to imply that. Vic is one of the most classy individuals I have ever met in aviation, and he truly does "keep the fun in flying". So I appologize for bringing him up.
But, please don't accuse me of intimidating or "milking" students. I'm sorry for your experience, but that goes against every moral bone in my body.
Yea, a lot of dissatisfied customers who got tired of DCAs' garbage. And if the school did shut down, I am sure Vic would be ready to assist those customers, like he's doing with Tab Express Students. Vic is a classy guy, so please don't bring him up in this forum and even suggest he would play politics like that."
I'm sorry if that came off as a threat, FB. In no way did I intend to imply that. Vic is one of the most classy individuals I have ever met in aviation, and he truly does "keep the fun in flying". So I appologize for bringing him up.
But, please don't accuse me of intimidating or "milking" students. I'm sorry for your experience, but that goes against every moral bone in my body.
FatBastard
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How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you keep refering to yourself as "the bastard" and make references that make us all believe that you have Austin Powers - Goldmember playing in the background on continuous loop?.......you maybe should consider turning off the blacklights and slipping out of hollywood for long enough to convince us that you're more than 12 years old?
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You know what, you pro DCA guys never believe anything someone says negatively about the school. In all of the post I've seen here in the DCA forum you guys constantly try and pick a post apart, launch personal attacks, accuse someone of being inmature,threaten them because they wouldn't shut up, and of course apologize for a bad experience someone had there with the world famous if you were in my group that would not have happened.
Look at you Z, in your mind you think your a Z28 pilot, and present yourself as such. I f you are a learned person you would realize those references to Austin Power (The spy who shagged me actually) are just comedic breaking points to an otherwise serious subject.
Now if you can reference a Z28 pilot as your handle I'll reference whatever I see fit.
You even suggest I have Austin Powers looping somewhere.
Dude get a life!
Look, I really don't care if you pro DCA guys believe me or not, I'm not here to convince you of anything, nor do I owe anything to you. The information distributed was meant to help those who were "screwed" or otherwise felt their concerns were merely brushed aside.
Now when you say Z28 pilot, methinks you are refering to the Camaro, or is it the Nissan Z ?
What sort of avionics you got in that thing? Prop or Turbine driven? What's the ground school and sim cost on that thing?
Did Azma do your checkride? How much were you charged for dual instruction? Did DCA let you use a PCATD and if so what was the charge? and lastly do you "pilot" it in your DCA uniform?
From a literary standpoint, Fat Bastard represents a reflection on modern day society, I merely tailored the character for my own personal use. It is a statement, at its' most raw interpretation, of nonconformity, dis-allowance of intimidation at DCA, and to keep talking about stuff Pro DCA guys like yourself don't want to hear.
Perhaps you ought to delve deeper into the pursuit of knowledge, that way if I appear to be posting something you consider to be inmature, you will think a little deeper on the subject matter rather than somewhere, say in between the Cretaceuos and Triassic periods.
Homework-see if you can figure out what I'm saying here.
How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you keep refering to yourself as "the bastard" and make references that make us all believe that you have Austin Powers - Goldmember playing in the background on continuous loop?.......you maybe should consider turning off the blacklights and slipping out of hollywood for long enough to convince us that you're more than 12 years old?
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You know what, you pro DCA guys never believe anything someone says negatively about the school. In all of the post I've seen here in the DCA forum you guys constantly try and pick a post apart, launch personal attacks, accuse someone of being inmature,threaten them because they wouldn't shut up, and of course apologize for a bad experience someone had there with the world famous if you were in my group that would not have happened.
Look at you Z, in your mind you think your a Z28 pilot, and present yourself as such. I f you are a learned person you would realize those references to Austin Power (The spy who shagged me actually) are just comedic breaking points to an otherwise serious subject.
Now if you can reference a Z28 pilot as your handle I'll reference whatever I see fit.
You even suggest I have Austin Powers looping somewhere.
Dude get a life!
Look, I really don't care if you pro DCA guys believe me or not, I'm not here to convince you of anything, nor do I owe anything to you. The information distributed was meant to help those who were "screwed" or otherwise felt their concerns were merely brushed aside.
Now when you say Z28 pilot, methinks you are refering to the Camaro, or is it the Nissan Z ?
What sort of avionics you got in that thing? Prop or Turbine driven? What's the ground school and sim cost on that thing?
Did Azma do your checkride? How much were you charged for dual instruction? Did DCA let you use a PCATD and if so what was the charge? and lastly do you "pilot" it in your DCA uniform?
From a literary standpoint, Fat Bastard represents a reflection on modern day society, I merely tailored the character for my own personal use. It is a statement, at its' most raw interpretation, of nonconformity, dis-allowance of intimidation at DCA, and to keep talking about stuff Pro DCA guys like yourself don't want to hear.
Perhaps you ought to delve deeper into the pursuit of knowledge, that way if I appear to be posting something you consider to be inmature, you will think a little deeper on the subject matter rather than somewhere, say in between the Cretaceuos and Triassic periods.
Homework-see if you can figure out what I'm saying here.
FatBastard
New Member
Muscles you were never accused of anything nor do I imply that. And unlike some instructors there, I am glad to see you aren't like that.
Yes, to thier own personal( The Instructors) credit, DCA has good instructors who hold themselves to a higher standard, and thats' good. I even remember some time ago a few standing up against management there for some practices they were asked to do that were unethical. They lost thier jobs behind it, but all have moved on. (As told to by someone who witnessed it first hand, and is now at an airline.)
I salute those who consider thier personal integrity worth more than anything, it is people like you who I know will make great, safe airline pilots, or were ever your career aspirations take you.
(For the record, Jake is at RAA not an airline.)
See? I deal in facts, and verify them, too.
Yes, to thier own personal( The Instructors) credit, DCA has good instructors who hold themselves to a higher standard, and thats' good. I even remember some time ago a few standing up against management there for some practices they were asked to do that were unethical. They lost thier jobs behind it, but all have moved on. (As told to by someone who witnessed it first hand, and is now at an airline.)
I salute those who consider thier personal integrity worth more than anything, it is people like you who I know will make great, safe airline pilots, or were ever your career aspirations take you.
(For the record, Jake is at RAA not an airline.)
See? I deal in facts, and verify them, too.
Z28_Pilot
New Member
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Look at you Z, in your mind you think your a Z28 pilot, and present yourself as such. I f you are a learned person you would realize those references to Austin Power (The spy who shagged me actually) are just comedic breaking points to an otherwise serious subject.
Now if you can reference a Z28 pilot as your handle I'll reference whatever I see fit.
Now when you say Z28 pilot, methinks you are refering to the Camaro, or is it the Nissan Z ?
What sort of avionics you got in that thing? Prop or Turbine driven? What's the ground school and sim cost on that thing?
Did Azma do your checkride? How much were you charged for dual instruction? Did DCA let you use a PCATD and if so what was the charge? and lastly do you "pilot" it in your DCA uniform?
From a literary standpoint, Fat Bastard represents a reflection on modern day society, I merely tailored the character for my own personal use. It is a statement, at its' most raw interpretation, of nonconformity, dis-allowance of intimidation at DCA, and to keep talking about stuff Pro DCA guys like yourself don't want to hear.
Perhaps you ought to delve deeper into the pursuit of knowledge, that way if I appear to be posting something you consider to be inmature, you will think a little deeper on the subject matter rather than somewhere, say in between the Cretaceuos and Triassic periods.
Homework-see if you can figure out what I'm saying here.
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1) Yeah...it's a Camaro Z28
2) Avionics?.....the CD player kinda looks like a GPS
3) Prop or Turbine?......it's piston driven
4) No ground school or Sim....just dove right in and taught myself how to drive it.
5) Didn't do the ride w/Azma.....so it was free!
6) .......
7).......
8) yeah...I used to "pilot" it in my DCA uniform....but I don't work there anymore so I don't wear it.
As for the rest of your post.....those words are too big for me....so, you're on the right track.....just back up a little and find a happy median.
BTW - I don't do homework anymore, unless it's for recurrent.
Cheers!
Look at you Z, in your mind you think your a Z28 pilot, and present yourself as such. I f you are a learned person you would realize those references to Austin Power (The spy who shagged me actually) are just comedic breaking points to an otherwise serious subject.
Now if you can reference a Z28 pilot as your handle I'll reference whatever I see fit.
Now when you say Z28 pilot, methinks you are refering to the Camaro, or is it the Nissan Z ?
What sort of avionics you got in that thing? Prop or Turbine driven? What's the ground school and sim cost on that thing?
Did Azma do your checkride? How much were you charged for dual instruction? Did DCA let you use a PCATD and if so what was the charge? and lastly do you "pilot" it in your DCA uniform?
From a literary standpoint, Fat Bastard represents a reflection on modern day society, I merely tailored the character for my own personal use. It is a statement, at its' most raw interpretation, of nonconformity, dis-allowance of intimidation at DCA, and to keep talking about stuff Pro DCA guys like yourself don't want to hear.
Perhaps you ought to delve deeper into the pursuit of knowledge, that way if I appear to be posting something you consider to be inmature, you will think a little deeper on the subject matter rather than somewhere, say in between the Cretaceuos and Triassic periods.
Homework-see if you can figure out what I'm saying here.
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1) Yeah...it's a Camaro Z28
2) Avionics?.....the CD player kinda looks like a GPS
3) Prop or Turbine?......it's piston driven
4) No ground school or Sim....just dove right in and taught myself how to drive it.
5) Didn't do the ride w/Azma.....so it was free!
6) .......
7).......
8) yeah...I used to "pilot" it in my DCA uniform....but I don't work there anymore so I don't wear it.
As for the rest of your post.....those words are too big for me....so, you're on the right track.....just back up a little and find a happy median.
BTW - I don't do homework anymore, unless it's for recurrent.
Cheers!
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You know Fo, I'll say this. I am concerned that you guys don't know about the Key Bank issue or whether its' true or not.
It is, but apparently someone doesn't want you guys to know about it.
If you have money with DCA through Key, please take all measures to protect it.
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Just FYI, I took your advice and called Key...Not only did they deny your claims, but the actually offered to increase my loan by $20,000 (which I declined since I'm right on track). So I don't know where your 'facts' are coming from, but clearly, you're the one being duped.
You know Fo, I'll say this. I am concerned that you guys don't know about the Key Bank issue or whether its' true or not.
It is, but apparently someone doesn't want you guys to know about it.
If you have money with DCA through Key, please take all measures to protect it.
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Just FYI, I took your advice and called Key...Not only did they deny your claims, but the actually offered to increase my loan by $20,000 (which I declined since I'm right on track). So I don't know where your 'facts' are coming from, but clearly, you're the one being duped.
planediveguy
New Member
Dear Mr. Bastard:
I am just wondering which of these you might be:
1- Someone that is able to fly and has good hand -eye coordination, also does study and apply to get ready for the flights, memorize what needs to be memorized, knows the procedures and studies hard. And then bad luck gave you a poor instructor that, according to you, gambeld his paycheck and "miked" you for another turn, while DCA completely ignored it.
2- Someone that can't really grasp flying concepts that well, has poor hand -eye coordination, doesn not get ready for flight lessons and don't memorize anything, doesn't know procedure and thinks that reading a manual while watching tv is studying. And then bad luck gave you an instructor that held you to DCA standards of performance that you could not meet and thus unsat a lot of lessons and filled out plenty of progress reports. When you whined to the group manager he said" you need to study and get ready for your lessons" and you did not like to hear that, so you quit and went somewhere where you can get away with the above...
Whichever may fit you it is easy to determine. Next weekend we can meet at Falcon and we can split one hour on a C-172. you can fly and I will evaluate. And you could then use that time to tell me the real story behind your anger. It is easy to "fire away" under these Forums, but you know who I am, you know that while I do support DCA, I do have the student's interest at heart. And even students that have failed checkrides with me know that. Besides I could then get to your training records and find out if your side of the story holds any water... up for it?
I am just wondering which of these you might be:
1- Someone that is able to fly and has good hand -eye coordination, also does study and apply to get ready for the flights, memorize what needs to be memorized, knows the procedures and studies hard. And then bad luck gave you a poor instructor that, according to you, gambeld his paycheck and "miked" you for another turn, while DCA completely ignored it.
2- Someone that can't really grasp flying concepts that well, has poor hand -eye coordination, doesn not get ready for flight lessons and don't memorize anything, doesn't know procedure and thinks that reading a manual while watching tv is studying. And then bad luck gave you an instructor that held you to DCA standards of performance that you could not meet and thus unsat a lot of lessons and filled out plenty of progress reports. When you whined to the group manager he said" you need to study and get ready for your lessons" and you did not like to hear that, so you quit and went somewhere where you can get away with the above...
Whichever may fit you it is easy to determine. Next weekend we can meet at Falcon and we can split one hour on a C-172. you can fly and I will evaluate. And you could then use that time to tell me the real story behind your anger. It is easy to "fire away" under these Forums, but you know who I am, you know that while I do support DCA, I do have the student's interest at heart. And even students that have failed checkrides with me know that. Besides I could then get to your training records and find out if your side of the story holds any water... up for it?
FatBastard
New Member
Flyboi, what happened between DCA and KEY is fact, believe what you want.( The person you spoke to likely didn't have prior knowledge, so of course they would deny it.) Why do you think all new students have a choice, Key made them do it, or else! So Key offered you an extra $20,000.00, good for you. I however thought Key had stopped all aviation related loans period. So how did they offer that to you? Were you already pre approved for that? A disbursement left? Oh well may fortune favor the foolish..........
Fabio, respectfully, I have nothing to prove to you unless your the local flight examiner. If your not that then chill. I know well my abilities, and my knowledge level. Oh by the way, I love Multi engine aircraft, don't you? And if I really want to get into a valueless evaluation (because I have nothing better to do) then maybe I'll look you up.
Fab, don't you like interviews? I do especially when it helps you to do what you love to do, for me, that's flying.
Anyway, I think I'll spend my time on something worthwhile like that instead of this evaluation of yours.
I can't help it if you guys are pissed because I informed people of thier rights, I still will, no matter what you say or rumors you may hear from people who think they may know me.
And Fab, you may have the student's best interest at heart, but ultimately, you are powerless to effect change. Why don't you become president of the academy and then I will really believe the school is on the right track.
Cheers!
Fabio, respectfully, I have nothing to prove to you unless your the local flight examiner. If your not that then chill. I know well my abilities, and my knowledge level. Oh by the way, I love Multi engine aircraft, don't you? And if I really want to get into a valueless evaluation (because I have nothing better to do) then maybe I'll look you up.
Fab, don't you like interviews? I do especially when it helps you to do what you love to do, for me, that's flying.
Anyway, I think I'll spend my time on something worthwhile like that instead of this evaluation of yours.
I can't help it if you guys are pissed because I informed people of thier rights, I still will, no matter what you say or rumors you may hear from people who think they may know me.
And Fab, you may have the student's best interest at heart, but ultimately, you are powerless to effect change. Why don't you become president of the academy and then I will really believe the school is on the right track.
Cheers!
FatBastard
New Member
Fabio, you do of course realize that the PTS applies to everyone, from DCA to Pan Am to Flight Safety to yes even Falcon. For you to insinuate that Falcon is lax or something along those lines is totally irresponsible.
How can you make a Judgement on something you haven't experienced?
Are you characterizing Vic as unethical? Is the flight examiner that way also? Shameful, Fabio, your real intentions are easily discernible.
I guess you know about Falcon being recommended by Continental Connection for people to get thier initial ratings and then off they go.
Fabio you may be upset about what I have said and frankly what I have yet to say in the future.
But for you guys to somehow insinuate that Falcon has lower standards is quite low, Fabio, and .............sad.
Oh and by the way, I would be number 1 in your post of query, But you wouldn't believe it anyway.
I would be
if you did.
How can you make a Judgement on something you haven't experienced?
Are you characterizing Vic as unethical? Is the flight examiner that way also? Shameful, Fabio, your real intentions are easily discernible.
I guess you know about Falcon being recommended by Continental Connection for people to get thier initial ratings and then off they go.
Fabio you may be upset about what I have said and frankly what I have yet to say in the future.
But for you guys to somehow insinuate that Falcon has lower standards is quite low, Fabio, and .............sad.
Oh and by the way, I would be number 1 in your post of query, But you wouldn't believe it anyway.
I would be
FatBastard
New Member
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(crickets chirping)
Good post Fabio....you're a hard worker and a good problem solver......keep it up!
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Problem not solved, and crickets stepped on !
So you only do homework at recurrent, what you flyin besides the Z28?Man would I like to see the checklist on that thing! The Z28, that is.)
Do you have more of an existence besides defending a school you no longer attend? Why don't you go back to it then and effect change?
Typical DCA Defender:
"Good one Grog, you teach him good lesson on if we screw you, and you complain, we deny it all and say you have the problem."
Funny...............
Good post Fabio....you're a hard worker and a good problem solver......keep it up!
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Problem not solved, and crickets stepped on !
So you only do homework at recurrent, what you flyin besides the Z28?Man would I like to see the checklist on that thing! The Z28, that is.)
Do you have more of an existence besides defending a school you no longer attend? Why don't you go back to it then and effect change?
Typical DCA Defender:
"Good one Grog, you teach him good lesson on if we screw you, and you complain, we deny it all and say you have the problem."
Funny...............
Fabio, when I worked under you I had the utmost respect for your personality, but before your ego takes a leap here, I along with many other instructors found that you were nothing more than in the right place at the right time...I hate to degrade your self image, which seems to baloon daily, but you were worthles. I think what bothers me the most is the common belief that if you dont train at DCA you arent recieving good training. Because as we all know DCA is the biggest boy on the block, and therefore must be the best! To be completely honest, DCA is a joke when it comes to instruction!!! The only reason to attend is for a guarenteed interview!! I would much rather fly at an FBO with an instructor who had 5000 hours dual given than at an academy where the instructor hasnt even had 2 years in the industry. Christ what makes everyone here such damn good pilots? have we any practical experience?
Fabio, this goes for you and most of the examiners I have come in contact with at the academy...you couldnt evaluate your way out of a wet paper bag!
As far as I know Jake is a senior instructor at RAA, he claims to be in contact with a couple airlines, but I havent talked to him in a few months. All you managment dung slingers that that whatever he did was unprofessional, I emplore you to voice just what it was, because as far as I know, he (and who knows how many others) was fired for standing up for a student, in front of the student! His student was to fail a stage check because the examiner thought the AIM was regulatory, among other dooky piles...He told me the reason they gave him was that his VFP folder wasnt to the FAA's liking. The FAA doesnt look at VFP folders. You tell me just what was wrong with that picture. To side with the bastard, I could only wish more white shirts here had the balls to stand up for whats not right...I know I have numerous times, only to get shot down, or to hear "its not your place to remark"
Z28, if you were implying that you were in an airline now, I must admit, its great to see that when someone finally gets to a position where they are in control of 50 plus souls, they feel that they no longer need to study to remain knowledgable...I bet you are at the top of your game
godspeed to your passengers and yourself
Fabio, this goes for you and most of the examiners I have come in contact with at the academy...you couldnt evaluate your way out of a wet paper bag!
As far as I know Jake is a senior instructor at RAA, he claims to be in contact with a couple airlines, but I havent talked to him in a few months. All you managment dung slingers that that whatever he did was unprofessional, I emplore you to voice just what it was, because as far as I know, he (and who knows how many others) was fired for standing up for a student, in front of the student! His student was to fail a stage check because the examiner thought the AIM was regulatory, among other dooky piles...He told me the reason they gave him was that his VFP folder wasnt to the FAA's liking. The FAA doesnt look at VFP folders. You tell me just what was wrong with that picture. To side with the bastard, I could only wish more white shirts here had the balls to stand up for whats not right...I know I have numerous times, only to get shot down, or to hear "its not your place to remark"
Z28, if you were implying that you were in an airline now, I must admit, its great to see that when someone finally gets to a position where they are in control of 50 plus souls, they feel that they no longer need to study to remain knowledgable...I bet you are at the top of your game
Wannabe2
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Fabio, this goes for you and most of the examiners I have come in contact with at the academy...you couldnt evaluate your way out of a wet paper bag!
As far as I know Jake is a senior instructor at RAA, he claims to be in contact with a couple airlines, but I havent talked to him in a few months. All you managment dung slingers that that whatever he did was unprofessional, I emplore you to voice just what it was, because as far as I know, he (and who knows how many others) was fired for standing up for a student, in front of the student! His student was to fail a stage check because the examiner thought the AIM was regulatory, among other dooky piles...He told me the reason they gave him was that his VFP folder wasnt to the FAA's liking. The FAA doesnt look at VFP folders. You tell me just what was wrong with that picture. To side with the bastard, I could only wish more white shirts here had the balls to stand up for whats not right...I know I have numerous times, only to get shot down, or to hear "its not your place to remark"
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Man, I don't even know where to start with this one. Let's start with Fabio. Say what you want about me, or the school or damn near anything here, but when you start with the Fabio bashing I get a little upset. Fabio for all of his bananna eating Brazilian ways
, is one of the best instructors and evaluators at this school. He is always willing to help a struggling student and goes out of his way quite often to do so. Bash away on him, but all of us that work with him know what a quality guy he is, and you will find that just about everyone here "has his back" so to speak.
As for Jake, I will say he was a good instructor. I saw him work with students numerous times and was pretty impressed actually. I think what finally did him in wasn't so much the numerous things he messed up, but his attitude. I won't go into specifics, but just as you ask folks to take your word for it that what you say is true, you will have to trust me that there were some pretty big screw ups. It wasn't so much that he had some mistakes on a VFP folder, it was how he handled the situation when informed that he needed to fix it.
As for white shirts standing up for what is (not?) right, I think I am. Not everything around here is great, this place has issues just as every other flight school and FBO does. I will continue to speak my mind here, as I am sure you will. I however, "have the balls" to let everyone know who I am and therefore feel that what I have to say carries a little more weight than someone who chooses to remain anonamous (sp? i think there is a "y" in there somewhere, lol)
Fabio, this goes for you and most of the examiners I have come in contact with at the academy...you couldnt evaluate your way out of a wet paper bag!
As far as I know Jake is a senior instructor at RAA, he claims to be in contact with a couple airlines, but I havent talked to him in a few months. All you managment dung slingers that that whatever he did was unprofessional, I emplore you to voice just what it was, because as far as I know, he (and who knows how many others) was fired for standing up for a student, in front of the student! His student was to fail a stage check because the examiner thought the AIM was regulatory, among other dooky piles...He told me the reason they gave him was that his VFP folder wasnt to the FAA's liking. The FAA doesnt look at VFP folders. You tell me just what was wrong with that picture. To side with the bastard, I could only wish more white shirts here had the balls to stand up for whats not right...I know I have numerous times, only to get shot down, or to hear "its not your place to remark"
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Man, I don't even know where to start with this one. Let's start with Fabio. Say what you want about me, or the school or damn near anything here, but when you start with the Fabio bashing I get a little upset. Fabio for all of his bananna eating Brazilian ways
As for Jake, I will say he was a good instructor. I saw him work with students numerous times and was pretty impressed actually. I think what finally did him in wasn't so much the numerous things he messed up, but his attitude. I won't go into specifics, but just as you ask folks to take your word for it that what you say is true, you will have to trust me that there were some pretty big screw ups. It wasn't so much that he had some mistakes on a VFP folder, it was how he handled the situation when informed that he needed to fix it.
As for white shirts standing up for what is (not?) right, I think I am. Not everything around here is great, this place has issues just as every other flight school and FBO does. I will continue to speak my mind here, as I am sure you will. I however, "have the balls" to let everyone know who I am and therefore feel that what I have to say carries a little more weight than someone who chooses to remain anonamous (sp? i think there is a "y" in there somewhere, lol)
FO_SHIZZLE
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Fabio, when I worked under you I had the utmost respect for your personality, but before your ego takes a leap here, I along with many other instructors found that you were nothing more than in the right place at the right time...I hate to degrade your self image, which seems to baloon daily, but you were worthles. I think what bothers me the most is the common belief that if you dont train at DCA you arent recieving good training. Because as we all know DCA is the biggest boy on the block, and therefore must be the best! To be completely honest, DCA is a joke when it comes to instruction!!! The only reason to attend is for a guarenteed interview!! I would much rather fly at an FBO with an instructor who had 5000 hours dual given than at an academy where the instructor hasnt even had 2 years in the industry. Christ what makes everyone here such damn good pilots? have we any practical experience?
Z28, if you were implying that you were in an airline now, I must admit, its great to see that when someone finally gets to a position where they are in control of 50 plus souls, they feel that they no longer need to study to remain knowledgable...I bet you are at the top of your game
godspeed to your passengers and yourself
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By all means go find an FBO instructor with 5000 hours. If you do find him/her, you should stay there and maybe you'll be happy.
In one paragraph you saying we (including yourself) don't have really an practical experience. But then you want to question someone working in a 121 environment with probably three times your experience at least. What do you base that on.
If all academy instruction sucks does that include you? Is it everyone or just the 75% percent that can't fly VFR.----Oh, on a side note. Flew a lesson down to Naples a couple weeks ago in an old Seminloe (no GPS) and .....it was VFR and.....we made it back safely. Incredible. I mean I freaked out and got lost during the flight, thank goodness my student and his trusty whiz wheel got us back. So scary!
Classy personal attack on Fabio calling him worthless, you should go far in this world with an attitude like that.
Fabio, when I worked under you I had the utmost respect for your personality, but before your ego takes a leap here, I along with many other instructors found that you were nothing more than in the right place at the right time...I hate to degrade your self image, which seems to baloon daily, but you were worthles. I think what bothers me the most is the common belief that if you dont train at DCA you arent recieving good training. Because as we all know DCA is the biggest boy on the block, and therefore must be the best! To be completely honest, DCA is a joke when it comes to instruction!!! The only reason to attend is for a guarenteed interview!! I would much rather fly at an FBO with an instructor who had 5000 hours dual given than at an academy where the instructor hasnt even had 2 years in the industry. Christ what makes everyone here such damn good pilots? have we any practical experience?
Z28, if you were implying that you were in an airline now, I must admit, its great to see that when someone finally gets to a position where they are in control of 50 plus souls, they feel that they no longer need to study to remain knowledgable...I bet you are at the top of your game
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By all means go find an FBO instructor with 5000 hours. If you do find him/her, you should stay there and maybe you'll be happy.
In one paragraph you saying we (including yourself) don't have really an practical experience. But then you want to question someone working in a 121 environment with probably three times your experience at least. What do you base that on.
If all academy instruction sucks does that include you? Is it everyone or just the 75% percent that can't fly VFR.----Oh, on a side note. Flew a lesson down to Naples a couple weeks ago in an old Seminloe (no GPS) and .....it was VFR and.....we made it back safely. Incredible. I mean I freaked out and got lost during the flight, thank goodness my student and his trusty whiz wheel got us back. So scary!
Classy personal attack on Fabio calling him worthless, you should go far in this world with an attitude like that.
planediveguy
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Fabio, you do of course realize that the PTS applies to everyone, from DCA to Pan Am to Flight Safety to yes even Falcon. For you to insinuate that Falcon is lax or something along those lines is totally irresponsible.
How can you make a Judgement on something you haven't experienced?
Are you characterizing Vic as unethical? Is the flight examiner that way also? Shameful, Fabio, your real intentions are easily discernible.
I guess you know about Falcon being recommended by Continental Connection for people to get thier initial ratings and then off they go.
Fabio you may be upset about what I have said and frankly what I have yet to say in the future.
But for you guys to somehow insinuate that Falcon has lower standards is quite low, Fabio, and .............sad.
Oh and by the way, I would be number 1 in your post of query, But you wouldn't believe it anyway.
I would be
if you did.
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I have not implied anything against Vic . You are the one reading into it. I have nothing against Vic and anyone at Falcon. I have an ex-student that I respect a lot working there. And I am also one of their customers. You are the one bringing his name into this mess and I will ask you to not try to turn things around.
What I meant is that , in general, part 61 operators only have to deal with meeting PTS requirements, as you have mentioned. Well PTS is in reality the worst performance that you can demonstrate and still be awarded a certification card from the FAA... is it not? Do you want to tell me that a part 61 operator is as thorough with procedures?
Just this week I was asked to evaluate someone that was auditing our CFI program. This person already has a CFI from a part 61 outfit in the midwest. I wrote a 4 page report that basically said that he does not meet the requirements for the CFI card, based on current PTS. This individuall would have problems trying to teach someone how to lace their shoes, but he got a CFI card somehow. And that is not enough at DCA.
As far as which profile you fit, by the way you danced around trying to answer my post and by bringing it to a low point , I really don't need to fly with you to know that you most likely fit # 2.
Too bad, we could have some laughs flying...
Fabio, you do of course realize that the PTS applies to everyone, from DCA to Pan Am to Flight Safety to yes even Falcon. For you to insinuate that Falcon is lax or something along those lines is totally irresponsible.
How can you make a Judgement on something you haven't experienced?
Are you characterizing Vic as unethical? Is the flight examiner that way also? Shameful, Fabio, your real intentions are easily discernible.
I guess you know about Falcon being recommended by Continental Connection for people to get thier initial ratings and then off they go.
Fabio you may be upset about what I have said and frankly what I have yet to say in the future.
But for you guys to somehow insinuate that Falcon has lower standards is quite low, Fabio, and .............sad.
Oh and by the way, I would be number 1 in your post of query, But you wouldn't believe it anyway.
I would be
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I have not implied anything against Vic . You are the one reading into it. I have nothing against Vic and anyone at Falcon. I have an ex-student that I respect a lot working there. And I am also one of their customers. You are the one bringing his name into this mess and I will ask you to not try to turn things around.
What I meant is that , in general, part 61 operators only have to deal with meeting PTS requirements, as you have mentioned. Well PTS is in reality the worst performance that you can demonstrate and still be awarded a certification card from the FAA... is it not? Do you want to tell me that a part 61 operator is as thorough with procedures?
Just this week I was asked to evaluate someone that was auditing our CFI program. This person already has a CFI from a part 61 outfit in the midwest. I wrote a 4 page report that basically said that he does not meet the requirements for the CFI card, based on current PTS. This individuall would have problems trying to teach someone how to lace their shoes, but he got a CFI card somehow. And that is not enough at DCA.
As far as which profile you fit, by the way you danced around trying to answer my post and by bringing it to a low point , I really don't need to fly with you to know that you most likely fit # 2.
Too bad, we could have some laughs flying...
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