Warning fellow AA dispatchers...

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one of your new sector mgrs (from envoy) likes to send everything. Just like little napoleon. If the forecast does not permit departing then call and have the forecast changed. If you question anything they say you are insubordinate...if you tell anyone that management told you to tell the crew something, that you do not agree with, then you are insubordinate as well.

Good luck and be ready to file grievances.
 
We all know Operational Control is exercised flight by flight by the captain and the dispatcher — that's 14 CFR §121.533.
The airline sets the framework: the policies, the standards, the operational boundaries. That's the airline's role and it's a legitimate one.
But the moment that release is signed, the operational decision on that specific flight belongs to two people. Not anyone else.
Two certificated individuals with legal responsibility that cannot be transferred or overridden.
The airline controls the operation. No one else controls the flight.
I cover this in depth in Your Flight Begins at My Desk — link in bio.
 
Mostly true, but I would only add a couple of caveats. Operational control may be transferred to another qualified dispatcher at turnover time. From the moment the briefing is acknowledged until a block-in time is received and recorded, the oncoming dispatcher is liable and responsible. It may be an obvious exception, but I thought it was worth mentioning. Secondly, I'm not aware of any regulation or legal interpretation that would preclude a certificate holder from reassigning a flight if a dispatcher refuses to send the paperwork, but I'm open to being enlightened (might be more of a CBA thing). I've worked for a carrier that didn't consider a release to be legally in effect until it was signed AND published/sent to the crew and/or station. The example scenario I'm thinking of is a qualified dispatcher who believes that releasing a flight is illegal, when it's actually not, unnecessarily holding the operation up for hours. I think there's a balance to be struck there where said dispatcher can't hold the release hostage just because it has his/her name on it, and they can't see or admit that they're just wrong. It goes without saying, though, that there's never a justification for bullying or pressuring a dispatcher to do something that's actually unsafe or illegal. I also wonder if a CFR 119.65 D.O. can legally step in and prevent a flight from departing if the conditions are known to be dangerous or illegal, but the DX/PIC wants to send it. Hypothetically, of course..
 
I can't edit my previous post, but I'd like to strike the last sentence from the record lol. I think it answers itself..
 
I had a shift manager at PSA tell me to transfer a flight to another dispatcher, because the current dispatcher didn't feel comfortable sending it. Even though I would have been comfortable sending it myself, I could see where the current dispatcher was coming from, and was not going to have my initials or name involved in transferring it to another dispatcher and then something goes wrong. It’s one thing if it's severe clear and the dispatcher still isn't comfortable. But if it's close (especially if you have to ask for a new forecast) you're playing with fire and risking your livelihood. And don't think for a.second the company won't throw you under the bus and deny they told you to do something illegal.
If a sector manager came to me and told me to call WSI and ask for a new forecast so we could send a flight, I'd tell them to go back to their desk, and then I'd file an ASAP.
Regionals only get away with that because they know most regional dispatchers are too new and are just trying to keep their heads down and do their time to get to a major. But it will eventually get some people killed, and when it does, they will claim innocence and throw their dispatchers under the bus.
 
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If it's a fact-based judgement call, it's well within the purview of our operational control authority. But in some cases it's a flat out misapplication/misunderstanding/ignorance of an OpSpec/reg (on the spatchers part) where it's literally a go/no-go thing. It might be the case that the OpSpec may actually give a certain special authorization that a reg requires, for instance, but the manuals don't convey it clearly enough. While companies should not be forcing our hand in matters of safety or legality, stubbornly hiding behind "my operational control" without any other justification can be problematic too. I've seen it from newbies and crusty lifers alike. What's the compromise?
 
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If it's a fact-based judgement call, it's well within the purview of our operational control authority. But in some cases it's a flat out misapplication/misunderstanding/ignorance of an OpSpec/reg (on the spatchers part) where it's literally a go/no-go thing. It might be the case that the OpSpec may actually give a certain special authorization that a reg requires, for instance, but the manuals don't convey it clearly enough. While companies should not be forcing our hand in matters of safety or legality, stubbornly hiding behind "my operational control" without any other justification can be problematic too. I've seen it from newbies and crusty lifers alike. What's the compromise?
Think that's a great way to put it. I've seen both sides and self reflecting is important to do. Quote the specific reg/spec/mel/issue that makes it a no go and be open to factual challenges to that. The SOD/controller/whatever should do the same.
 
If it's a fact-based judgement call, it's well within the purview of our operational control authority. But in some cases it's a flat out misapplication/misunderstanding/ignorance of an OpSpec/reg (on the spatchers part) where it's literally a go/no-go thing. It might be the case that the OpSpec may actually give a certain special authorization that a reg requires, for instance, but the manuals don't convey it clearly enough. While companies should not be forcing our hand in matters of safety or legality, stubbornly hiding behind "my operational control" without any other justification can be problematic too. I've seen it from newbies and crusty lifers alike. What's the compromise?
The "warning" was that the new sector manager would order us to call to get the forecast changed to make it legal to send a flight. We can debate whether someone should defiantly refuse to send a flight that is perfectly legal. Obviously they shouldn't.
But none of us at AA are worried about a sector manager ordering us to send a flight we don't believe is safe to send. We are professionals and are paid to use our professional knowledge to make decisions. And if one were to try to force us to send a flight that we have determined isn't safe, we'll file ASAPS and grievances and it won't happen again.
I'm really not worried, and I don't think it's even fair for someone to have sent this "warning" in the first place because it's based in a completely different world. I suspect the new sector manager will do fine and likely enjoy his new job far more than he enjoyed working at Envoy.
 
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