Want to be a professional pilot?

Seggy said:
Remember, if you want to pursue a professional flying career, it is still a GREAT option to go to a traditional four year state school, get a degree outside of aviation, and do your flight training at a local FBO.

A lot of rumblings lately with ATP, their association to Mountain State and that school loosing their accreditation, as well as a lot of summer 'this is my plan, what do you think?' postings lately and I wanted to remind everyone of a simpler way of looking at things.

Enjoy the journey!
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Well spoken. As one of the MSU/ATP "rumblers" I'd just like to add one caveat. The ATP/MSU partnership is/was the first decent option for Veterans using the Post 9-11 GI Bill to have all costs paid with nothing out of pocket. Do classes online with MSU, go fly at ATP. For the ATP haters, honestly, I couldn't give a hoot who was doing the training (well, maybe if it was American Flyers or Illinois Aviation Academy I'd have second thoughts). In this case, this partnership was the gift horse, and I was not happy about being forced to watch that gift horse get turned into Alpo.
 
Seggy said:
Your Degree is more than just what you learn about in class.

State School...

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Or if you want to go to an Aviation Related School (all below went to 'The Harvard of the Skies', except the gentleman with the Fedora, BUT he did go to a sausage fest type of school :))...

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Who is the hottie in your second picture? :)

Seggy remember you were on the football team so that in and of itself makes college THAT much better!
 
bunk22 said:
IMO, want to fly? Go to a regular school, use one of the ROTC programs and let the military pay for your flight training...and school too.
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And an active duty service obligation.... How wonderful ... LOL :eek: It will work out perfectly in the cargo/tanker community of USAF/USN but ...

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For what it's worth, I would even go as far to say go to a community college for your general education classes before heading to a state school. You might save yourself a little more money. Just a hunch.

I have never once regretted my decision to attend ECU. Great school. Learned a lot. Even went abroad!
 
ozziecat35 said:
Well spoken. As one of the MSU/ATP "rumblers" I'd just like to add one caveat. The ATP/MSU partnership is/was the first decent option for Veterans using the Post 9-11 GI Bill to have all costs paid with nothing out of pocket. Do classes online with MSU, go fly at ATP. For the ATP haters, honestly, I couldn't give a hoot who was doing the training (well, maybe if it was American Flyers or Illinois Aviation Academy I'd have second thoughts). In this case, this partnership was the gift horse, and I was not happy about being forced to watch that gift horse get turned into Alpo.
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This is a very valid point for us veterans, while it MIGHT be " a GREAT option to go to a traditional four year state school, get a degree outside of aviation, and do your flight training at a local FBO." some of us might not be able to afford the flying part... We have financial support via Veteran's Affairs so we want to get the best bang out of our buck. Some of these degrees at 4-yr programs are not blanket degrees either. You are still learning your profession, and a degree that goes along. I don't know why a chemistry graduate with a local CMEL/IR trained guy would look more appealing to an employer compared to some of us vets who went into dedicated flight programs... Arizona State has one of these programs. Actually 2 majors related to flying if I am not mistaken!
 
Bushmaster78FS said:
And an active duty service obligation.... How wonderful ... LOL :eek: It will work out perfectly in the cargo/tanker community of USAF/USN but ...

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Yes but you get the best flight training in the world, fly the best aircraft (debatable lol) and serve your nation. Not sure what you mean about working out perfectly in the cargo/tanker community??
 
bunk22 said:
Yes but you get the best flight training in the world, fly the best aircraft (debatable lol) and serve your nation. Not sure what you mean about working out perfectly in the cargo/tanker community??
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I see your point and agree, but how does that affect those already using Veteran's benefits?
 
ozziecat35 said:
I see your point and agree, but how does that affect those already using Veteran's benefits?
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Don't know. I just used the post 9/11 GI Bill for my masters and will use it for my type rating as well...maybe ATP?? Certainly, use those veteran benefits.
 
bunk22 said:
Yes but you get the best flight training in the world, fly the best aircraft (debatable lol) and serve your nation. Not sure what you mean about working out perfectly in the cargo/tanker community??
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Say you got rotary hours and some, I hear most, employers don't count those hours in if you want the heavies down the line! I am in the beginning of this journey so we will see, employers like ExpressJet might count what little helo hours I have but if I was a C-17 pilot with 6 years under my belt and got out after initial ADSO, I would have been golden compared to a low hour Apache pilot like me! That is what I meant! Fighter dudes usually stay in for the long haul as far as I know.

No question military flight training gives the best structured, disciplined training, gives you excellent work and study habits and those go a long way throughout your career, whether military or civilian... And I can tell you, I am confident to say we do fly the best aircraft in our military, regardless of branch. Debatable but it is my firm belief.

So I got my FAA Commercial ticket FOR FREE, you are right, when military pays for it! I need my FW add-ons and the degree and I might have some benefits left to transfer to my better half.
 
Bushmaster78FS said:
Say you got rotary hours and some, I hear most, employers don't count those hours in if you want the heavies down the line! I am in the beginning of this journey so we will see, employers like ExpressJet might count what little helo hours I have but if I was a C-17 pilot with 6 years under my belt and got out after initial ADSO, I would have been golden compared to a low hour Apache pilot like me! That is what I meant! Fighter dudes usually stay in for the long haul as far as I know.

No question military flight training gives the best structured, disciplined training, gives you excellent work and study habits and those go a long way throughout your career, whether military or civilian... And I can tell you, I am confident to say we do fly the best aircraft in our military, regardless of branch. Debatable but it is my firm belief.

So I got my FAA Commercial ticket FOR FREE, you are right, when military pays for it! I need my FW add-ons and the degree and I might have some benefits left to transfer to my better half.
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Ah, makes sense now. I forgot too, 50% of all Navy pilots are helo pilots and 75% of Marine Corps pilots are helo pilots.

BTW, Apache's rock :)
 
Seeing as I'm the guy going to a 4 year private school getting an aviation degree... I would agree with others to get a degree in something else besides aviation. With my "degree" I've been taking classes all four years which accumulate to me getting my A&P in addition to all my pilot certificates. I figured if I was going to do aviation I would go all out, and be "well rounded" in several different areas of aviation besides flying. After being around these forums the past 6 months, it has shaped my view on college, and I think somewhere down the road I would like to pursue a business degree in an online degree program.

At the same time, doing an aviation degree has been nice because it's fun, and it's really what I want to be doing. So it makes my life at college a lot more enjoyable, and I will still be able to check off that degree check box on the application.
 
I just want to know from Qutch if he's accepting applications for instructors? And how I'd the pay? I'd take a free t-shirt, for the first semester of internet instruction. Is a masters in death, destruction, and mayhem available?
 
braunpilot said:
I just want to know from Qutch if he's accepting applications for instructors? And how I'd the pay? I'd take a free t-shirt, for the first semester of internet instruction. Is a masters in death, destruction, and mayhem available?
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You passed the fix-to-fix and chemtrail courses. You're a graduate.

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Someone seriously needs to make up some nice U of Qutch shirts, throw them on Zazzle or somewhere and let me buy one.. but it has to be good and I think Qutch's colors should look similar to Michigan State.. LOL
 
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