Wanna pilot job at Delta?

Maximillian_Jenius said:
Yeah, but you still have to pay for your ratings with this program as well. Delta provides a loan, i.e. you have to pay it back. They're not footing the bill. So same is same, only you have to find your own lending with the UA program. Because the program is for instructors. Not a cradle to grave program.
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Gotcha. that makes sense. This Delta one seems more similar to B6's Gateway 7 program. Except you need to already be employed with them and DL will provide some financial assistance.
 
KSCessnaDriver said:
Oh, there's a firestorm brewing. When the MEC chairman sends an email out less than 6 hours after it hit Deltanet, it's a big deal. The ironic thing is, they announce this during the TA roadshow process. As if the no side needed any more ammunition...
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Please post the letter. Not sure why they would be pissed. You already have a deal.
 
ClarkGriswold said:
Please post the letter. Not sure why they would be pissed. You already have a deal.
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Because the assumption is, that the program would place pilots at 9E, who would then "flow" to Delta. We don't have a deal, we have a meager, worthless DGI program, that can and will be stopped at any time Delta decides its in their interest to do so. Effectively making pilots who were hired at 9E, second class citizens, in terms of movement to Delta.

At least the SSP was contractual, and had the union making it somewhat transparent on how things were running. The DGI, not so much.
 
KSCessnaDriver said:
Because the assumption is, that the program would place pilots at 9E, who would then "flow" to Delta. We don't have a deal, we have a meager, worthless DGI program, that can and will be stopped at any time Delta decides its in their interest to do so. Effectively making pilots who were hired at 9E, second class citizens, in terms of movement to Delta.

At least the SSP was contractual, and had the union making it somewhat transparent on how things were running. The DGI, not so much.
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SMH. Then vote no if you want it in the contract so bad but good luck. Again, you guys have a deal. Which is alot better than what anyone else has.


Post the letter.
 
I wonder when the regionals will start paying for pilot training in exchange for a 5-year commitment? Unless some are already doing that.
 
ClarkGriswold said:
SMH. Then vote no if you want it in the contract so bad but good luck. Again, you guys have a deal. Which is alot better than what anyone else has.


Post the letter.
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The MEC letter? Its on the 9E MEC facebook, but I'll post it for you

Endeavor Pilots,

I know you are all aware of the recent announcement on the Delta employee website regarding a possible “employee pilot pathway program.” I have read the communication from Delta and I share your concerns about this program. The phrase “Complete required flight hours as a flight instructor and/or regional pilot at a location and company specified by Delta,” which is used in the announcement, would suggest a possibility that these individuals may be sent to Endeavor with a flow-through type job offer already in place to Delta.

I, along with all of your MEC Representatives, Officers, and Negotiators have long maintained that it is unacceptable for some Endeavor pilots to be given a flow to Delta while others are not. This was attempted before in the form of the Endeavor-To-Delta program, which your MEC strongly condemned. Any career progression offered at Endeavor must be fairly and equitably applied to all of our pilots, and must respect their contributions to the Delta brand.

The details of this program have not yet been publically disclosed, and Endeavor has not yet been confirmed to be involved, however we will monitor these developments as they unfold. Should a flow-through be offered to some or all Endeavor new hires, without also being offered to current seniority list pilots, be assured that your MEC will exercise every contractual and legal pathway available to resist and prevent any such program.

I am very disappointed in this announcement, which fails to recognize pilots at Endeavor with a guaranteed and contractual career progression model, despite industry leading performance, brand loyalty, professionalism, and dedication to Delta. I have shared your concerns, and my own, with our executive leadership and have made our position on this matter crystal clear. Please do not hesitate to reach out directly to me with any concerns and I will continue to provide updates as they become available.
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ClarkGriswold said:
you guys have a deal. Which is alot better than what anyone else has.
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... Not really. If DGI is similar to the SSP they actually hired a lower percentage than they did from off the street interviews. Picture yourself as a 9E captain who didn't pass the interview, and a new FO shows up in the right seat and says they just got sent to Endeavor to build their 1000 hours then they have a guaranteed job at Delta. That is what the union wants to avoid.
 
thevideographer said:
... Not really. If DGI is similar to the SSP they actually hired a lower percentage than they did from off the street interviews. Picture yourself as a 9E captain who didn't pass the interview, and a new FO shows up in the right seat and says they just got sent to Endeavor to build their 1000 hours then they have a guaranteed job at Delta. That is what the union wants to avoid.
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Then he should have passed the interview. No different than any other regional where a captain flies with an fo and learns they are leaving for Delta, United, etc. in a couple months and that same Captain failed an interview.
 
Yakob said:
In that case, perhaps those who wanted a guaranteed path to mainline should have gone to PSA, Piedmont or Envoy? Most anyone at Endeavor now would have been hired there knowing a flow was not part of the deal.
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God forbid we negotiate for more than what we have. All most of us want, is something contractual.
 
So basically, you guys are pushing for ETD, which you had, contractually, and only garnered like 20 people.
 
mastermags said:
So basically, you guys are pushing for ETD, which you had, contractually, and only garnered like 20 people.
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You guys meaning delta? EtD was not in the endeavor pilot contract and Delta voluntarily shut it down after more than 10 of the 20 left.
 
Without going into particulars, on good word, at this point, it's just a poll. I am doing the foot-stomp but you can't see it.

Endeavor, please tell your MEC to cool its jets and keep their powder try. Whoever wrote that letter has a grievous over-reaction.

99% of the drama is from people who read far too into what it is.
 
9E is going to be too expensive to send their recruits,there will be a deal struck with MESA for them to get their time in


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Cloud Surfer said:
What is the point of this program when Delta already has an endless supply of regional fodder from which it can fill however many pilot positions are open?
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They are a known individual to Delta. Like @Derg said, currently it’s just an internal poll to gauge the interest of employees who might be interested. If it goes forward, they still have to pass a mini interview, but it is a pathway to offer advancement to other employee groups. It will by no means fill even a fraction of the pilot needs going forward.
 
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