Video of passenger confronting Delta 5635 pilots last week

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I just want to fly airplanes and look at my epaulets in the reflection of the sunshade, B767Driver!

Problem-solving? If it ain't in the QRH, it ain't a problem, right? :)


Well, I like people...so I tend make an effort to involve the folks in the back. Almost everyone is reasonable even during tough situations...you just have to involve them.
 
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Well, I like people...so I tend make an effort to involve the folks in the back. Almost everyone is reasonable even during tough situations...you just have to involve them.

Two things I've noticed so far. If I'm straight up and honest on the PA and talk like I'm talking to you in the terminal, people appreciate the candor and light hints of natural sardonic humor.

When I flew domestic legs on a satellie tv-equipped aircraft, they really don't mind the delays as much, especially when there's a high-profile sporting event on television or it's prime time on the major networks.

Most people are appreciative of information, honesty and if you give them a chance, are way more savvy than many of us think.

I think the big problem is that a lot of people forget we're also in the customer service field. The glossy magazines talk about flying neato-jets fresh out of their schools and one even spent more time talking about the benefits of being a pilot rather than the challenges and responsibilities (the fun part, actually) without focusing on what's actually expected out of you.

Listen up folks. If you think your job is to show up with your iPod and shiney epaulets and just fly airplanes all day, it ain't. Passengers need leadership just like an FO fresh out of IOE does.

Don't just sit there folks.
 
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4 hours!!

I dont fly 121 so I might be talking out of my azz, but I think the CA handled it pretty bad.

He had as many answers as the kid at Best Buy trying to explain 1080p to me. He should have talked to the powers that be and demanded his pax be let off the plane.

You guys who are saying "oohh, the CA should have said STFU!! We are so important! How dare a piece of crap pax come talk to us!! He's interfering with national security!!"

Gimmie a break!

4 Hours!! He is the paying customers and has every right to be pissed. You can bet your ass if I was on that plane with my daughter, I would be pissed and demanded to be off that plane.

The captain even admitted that if his family was on the plane then he would have deboarded!

I personally think the captain dropped the ball!
 
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I took four different UsAir flights last week, all of which were delayed anywhere from 20 min to an hour. On two flights, we received not one PA. We were all left to wonder.

On one, we received a good, passenger-level explanation about the delay.

On one, the pilot felt the need to explain every.... little... thing... that was going on up front. This guy's PAs went on for 5 minute stretches. Ugh. Kris got sick of me rolling my eyes every time the pilot explained "vertical developments, detailed explanations about turbulence and its effects, where turbulence happens, specific altitudes we were climbing to in order to get above the turbulence, how we were altering out route, and he basically gave us a METAR for our destination.

I'm for informing the public, and leading them, so to speak. But for god's sake, everything in moderation!
 
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my pet peeve:

"Winds are 230 at 15 knots gusting 30"

For the love of all that's good in the world, why do pilots give such detailed wind information? :)

"Grandma! The winds are 230 at 15 knots, gusting to 30... are we still going to be able to ridle "It's a Small World" at Disney when we get there?"
 
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How great would it be if this guy some how ended up on the no-fly list?

Ya so he couldnt fly anymore, thus not paying for a ticket anywhere. Then the airlines lose another paying customer. That would have been great...hahaha :sarcasm:

Not bustin your balls. I understand you said it in jest.....i hope
 
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If JFK could only get worse.:sarcasm:
We could sit here and say this and that, and I would of done it this way.
Let's all learn from this and move on.
Isn't it time to bash JetU again?:)
 
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How are things working out in the ATL with DL running ramp? I've not been though there since the change. Any better?
I'd like to see JFK get better too-but i'm definitely not holding my breath for it, the place can be a real cluster ....
From the CS guys in the SOCC, I hear that it's operating a little bit better, but they're still the same ASA employees who were mass hired by DL.
 
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my pet peeve:

"Winds are 230 at 15 knots gusting 30"

For the love of all that's good in the world, why do pilots give such detailed wind information? :)

"Grandma! The winds are 230 at 15 knots, gusting to 30... are we still going to be able to ridle "It's a Small World" at Disney when we get there?"
Or when the FO says it's 50 degrees and partly cloudy and you get people looking out the window into the dark night on the approach!:p
 
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With the present crop of regional FOs I've seen walking through the terminal, it's probably best to keep them off of the PA, lest in the future we here...

"What up folks - Well, looks like the tower has owned us - we'll be chillin' on the ramp a bit longer. We'll drop info on ya when we get it. We ask that you not show disrespect to the flight attendant - don't hate the player, hate the game. Peace out."
 
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Is there any guidance as to what maximum cabin temperature the passengers and crew should be exposed to?

There's got to be a point where it's prudent to declare an emergency and evacuate the aircraft.
 
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There's got to be a point where it's prudent to declare an emergency and evacuate the aircraft.

That's a very tough decision to make. Certainly you have to decide which is worse, the conditions outside the airplane, or the conditions inside the airplane. A prime example is a raging thunderstorm or blizzard. Cabin conditions would have to be really, and I mean really bad before it would be prudent to have people jumping off the plane into 2 feet of snow or into an active lightning storm.

Not saying that it should never happen, because there may, indeed, come a time where the 'limit' has been reached and people want OFF, at almost any cost.
 
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With the present crop of regional FOs I've seen walking through the terminal, it's probably best to keep them off of the PA, lest in the future we here...

"What up folks - Well, looks like the tower has owned us - we'll be chillin' on the ramp a bit longer. We'll drop info on ya when we get it. We ask that you not show disrespect to the flight attendant - don't hate the player, hate the game. Peace out."


That's probably the funniest thing I've read on here. And I would be laughing even harder if a pilot really made that PA while I was on the plane. In fact...I kind of think that in a situation like that, that would not even be an inappropriate PA to make. A little comic relief may calm some nerves. Not after 4 hours of course..but you get what I'm saying
 
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We ask that you not show disrespect to the flight attendant - don't hate the player, hate the game. Peace out."

Nice! There's an Oakland Center controller who hands you off with a..."Peace Out!!"

I'm still trying to figure out an appropriate response...everything I come up with sounds dumb.
 
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First and foremost, I hope everyone realizes that situations like this are becoming a regular occurrence in this industry every day. It is just another of a long list of problems that we deal with as airline pilots. It is times like these that really test your patience, and sometimes make you ask yourself why you are doing this job. I hope you can say, "Because I love what I do." If you answer that nagging question in the tough times in that way, then you'll pull through and be able to enjoy the good times. There are just as many good times as "bad." Even a "bad" time can be a good time if you approach it in the right way.

To do this job, you really need to love flying airplanes. To do this job and also be great at it, you need to love people. There are many flying jobs out there. It is important to remember that being an airline pilot is a customer service job that allows you to fly for a living, not the other way around. Our customers are our most important aspect of work, because they are the reason we get paid. It is our job to make sure they are safe, comfortable and happy with the travel experience.

Thing is, nowadays there are many external factors outside of our control as flight crew that are working against those three things we are trying to achieve with our customers. Weather delays, overcrowded airports, tough schedules, the TSA... it is all working against us. That just means it is more of a challenge to make the people on your airplane happy. You need to make the extra effort. You need to set yourself apart from the rest.

Most customers are accustomed to pilots who sit up on the flight deck, giving the "Ahh, folks, we just got an update..." PAs and never show their face. This means anything you do above and beyond this, you are already setting yourself apart from the rest. Simply getting out of the cockpit to make your PAs so your passengers see that you are sincere makes a difference. Walking down the aisle to talk to them and answer their questions, even better. Getting off your ass to hand out cups of water and attend to their needs while the airplane is just sitting there, well, they'll probably deal with a lot. They just want to see you care.

When I'm on a flight, I view each customer in back as a real person, and talk to them as such. Customers have strange questions, and usually ask the same ones, but if I can make them feel better about things, then I've succeeded. Some passengers just want to complain and vent, and that's fine. I complain and vent all the time to anyone who will listen (not to customers). Let them get it out of their system. I won't take it personal, because I didn't cause the problem. It was not my decision to implement a ground stop, or put a supercell thunderstorm three miles south of the airport. So I only worry about the things I can control. If I've done that--gone the extra mile--and they are still not happy, then there is really nothing I can do.

Just give them the straight dope. People are generally smart. They know when you are lying to them.

All that said, if things start to get really out of hand, it is your job as a Captain to take care of your people. If it means forcing yourself back into a gate, then so be it. The welfare and care of your customers on board that plane at that very moment is your utmost responsibility. I made a decision early on that whatever happens out there flying people around, I'll make sure the ones on board my airplane are taken care of and safe. If that means having to "walk the line" later with the Chief Pilot, then so be it. I care about my company and want us to succeed, and I also care about people and their well-being. With time, you'll realize those two concerns (company and people) really compliment each other, although from a simple glance it appears they do not. Keep your people happy and safe, and they'll come back, which is good for the company.
 
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