VFR Through the Clouds?

TXTBOOK

TXTBOOK

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I am listening to the KOAK broadcast on liveatc.net, and I think I just heard the following:

"Cessna 123, verify climbing out of 3,000?"

"Affirmative, got some clouds comming up"

"Ok Cessna 123, go ahead and maintain 3,000 through the clouds"

"OK... maintain 3,000, Cessna 123".

Is this possible? Maybe I heard it wrong...
 
Maybe I'm the only one, but I've never said "I've got some clouds coming up" unsolicited while IFR.

Not that I can explain the conversation.
 
Well I obviously don't know for sure.

What made me think that is that it is a Cessna, they were planning on going around the clouds, and the reluctance in the response to maintain 3,000. Also, they were climbing on their own without the controller knowing why.
 
Well you know what they say,
Mechanic messes up... Pilot Dies
ATC messes up... Pilot Dies
Pilot messes up... Pilot Dies


Sounds like the controller wasn't paying attention. It happens sometimes, just unfortunately sometimes things don't turn out ok.
 
TXTBOOK said:
I am listening to the KOAK broadcast on liveatc.net, and I think I just heard the following:

"Cessna 123, verify climbing out of 3,000?"

"Affirmative, got some clouds comming up"

"Ok Cessna 123, go ahead and maintain 3,000 through the clouds"

"OK... maintain 3,000, Cessna 123".

Is this possible? Maybe I heard it wrong...
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My guess is that the Cessna was suppossed to climb ABOVE 3000, when the controller noticed the Cessna wasnt climbing above 3000, he asked "verify your climbing..." The pilot stated his reason he wasnt climbing (clouds) , so ATC told him to maintain 3000 till he was able to climb higher.
 
if the pilot was to continue flying to pass through a quick cloud, vfr, although illegal, would you still be able to log IMC time? I don't think I would, but not sure if you could log something if you did it illegally or by accident. I'm thinking about accidental flight into IMC, bust 180 back to free and clear, but you were in the clouds for a minute or two.
 
Well you can legally log instrument time while you are VFR if you are controlling the aircraft solely by reference to the instruments. Example of this is between two layers of clouds. Doesn't happen often but it is a possibility.

(g) Logging instrument flight time. (1) A person may log instrument time only for that flight time when the person operates the aircraft solely by reference to instruments under actual or simulated instrument flight conditions.
 
as far as logging the instrument times while flying under VFR, you better have a safety pilot and log it as such. flying in actual while under VFR in controlled airspace is not legal!

The only weird exception is class G airspace. If youre instrument rated, you can fly in IMC without a clearance in class G.
 
TXTBOOK said:
I am listening to the KOAK broadcast on liveatc.net, and I think I just heard the following:

"Cessna 123, verify climbing out of 3,000?"

"Affirmative, got some clouds comming up"

"Ok Cessna 123, go ahead and maintain 3,000 through the clouds"

"OK... maintain 3,000, Cessna 123".

Is this possible? Maybe I heard it wrong...
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sounds like the controller allowed him to maintain 3000 to avoid the clouds while getting flight following
 
deek said:
if the pilot was to continue flying to pass through a quick cloud, vfr, although illegal, would you still be able to log IMC time? I don't think I would, but not sure if you could log something if you did it illegally or by accident. I'm thinking about accidental flight into IMC, bust 180 back to free and clear, but you were in the clouds for a minute or two.
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How do you log three seconds?
 
twdeckard said:
How can an air traffic controller actually kill you?
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Vector you into a mountain. Pick the wrong blip on the radar and descend you into the ground. Clear someone to land on your head. Cross an aircraft in front of you on takeoff.

Must I continue...
 
Cessnaflyer said:
Vector you into a mountain. Pick the wrong blip on the radar and descend you into the ground. Clear someone to land on your head. Cross an aircraft in front of you on takeoff.

Must I continue...
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If a controller can vector you into a mountain then you had absolutely no situational awareness about where the airplane was in relation to threatening terrain ... if the controller can clear you to descend into the ground you had no idea about the terrain you were flying over ... if you land on an airplane or takeoff into one then someone never looked out the windows (and was not listening on any of the appropriate radio frequencies to build their own traffic picture).

The reason I hijacked the thread was someone here on JC (or over on PoA) has a signature about air traffic controllers killing pilots. I disagree wholeheartedly. A controller has very little capacity to kill you, even if they *tried* to vector you into another airplane they don't have the target resolution. You are correct to point out the runway risks, in that environment the mistakes don't have to be precise. When I start flying a plane with no windows I'll grant you that one.
 
Fly_Unity said:
My guess is that the Cessna was suppossed to climb ABOVE 3000, when the controller noticed the Cessna wasnt climbing above 3000, he asked "verify your climbing..." The pilot stated his reason he wasnt climbing (clouds) , so ATC told him to maintain 3000 till he was able to climb higher.
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I'm with this one...
 
Ok, Ok, obviously the pilot has the ultimate responsilbility...

But ATC can make mistakes, and as people have previously stated, those mistakes can result in catasrophic results.
 
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