Use MESA as a time-building tool?

ComplexHiAv8r said:
What happens when the Legacy determine its cheaper to let the "feeders" fun the 170/175/190 instead of them? The Legacy don't move anyone up (or even furlough pilots) and pass the workload back to the "feeders".

Wait until "feeders" start flying the CRJ-1000 :mad::banghead: I think it might already be in the works.
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Hopefully the line in the sand has already been drawn with that one. USAIRWAYS MAINLINE getting the E-190 was the first test. Others will follow.

Plus there aren't to many furloughed pilots left at the legacies. Within a year I think ALL majors (except for AA will start hiring). AA will start once the TWA guys lose their recall rights.
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
What happens when the Legacy determine its cheaper to let the "feeders" fun the 170/175/190 instead of them? The Legacy don't move anyone up (or even furlough pilots) and pass the workload back to the "feeders".

Wait until "feeders" start flying the CRJ-1000 :mad::banghead: I think it might already be in the works.
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We already know its cheaper to let the starry eyed youngins fly the E-jets. The MECs at the legacies can't allow any more scope relief or they will be flying the 190s. The Airways guys kept the 190's in house and CAL pilots still fly any jet with more than 50 seats. Lets hope it stays that way.
 
Dude segs, great minds think alike ;)

Good luck on your type ride. I take that back, you dont need it. Go kick its rear end tonight.
 
What we need to have happen is a giant staple job.

Every single jet regional needs to get attached to it's mainline carrier. Pinnacle needs to be merged onto the Northwest seniority list. Express Jet needs to get attached to the bottom of CAL's list, etc. etc.

Until the mainline guys put the jets back at mainline we're going to see the continued errosion of this career. Suck it up, take the crappy pay rates and at least put them up at the mainline. At this point it the mainline guys should be willing to give up A LOT to make this happen, because it means that the mainline guys still stop losing their mainline routes to regional carriers.

Keep it in house when it's a jet.
 
Naw Continental was stupid when they gave those 69 planes to CHQ. Word on the street is that Express Jet is STILL covering for those guys and mainline gave Express Jet back a few planes because CHQ has botched the operation so badly.

CAL can still remove another 69 planes in January from Express Jet, but as somebody said on another forum, "Even if CAL has any more bullets left, they might not have another foot left to shoot after the CHQ disaster."
 
still think that continental was stupid for selling coex off. xjt has a great business plan and i hope that it all works out for them and you. i do no tthink that you will lose another 69 planes. if you do well then things will change. like it has been said many times before this industry changes with the wind.
 
CHQ is also having a hard time with keeping those 200's maintained. They're all ex Indy Air/ACA 200's. With the 200 no longer in production and having started flying them really late in the game, parts are scarce. They call us four to six times a day loking for parts on a daily basis. They're also calling all the other 200 operators as well PSA, Pinnacle, ASA, AWAC and so on. I forsee them being like Freedom's Dash-8 operation; lasting about a year and then disappering. Someone else will fill the void.
 
The work will go back to Express Jet if that happens, a costly mistake for CAL that they won't make again.
 
Someone in this thread said that MESA wants to be used by low time pilots to time build.

But, I think that is dangerous for the profession. Why, well because those that go there to time build probably won't press for Mesa to be the next XJT in terms of pay, contract, QOL etc.

They'd be willing to maybe work longer hours, be abused, break regs and be "screw scheduling's" bitch, just to build time and get out.

And that I think is bad over all!
 
jtrain609 said:
Every single jet regional needs to get attached to it's mainline carrier. Pinnacle needs to be merged onto the Northwest seniority list. Express Jet needs to get attached to the bottom of CAL's list, etc. etc.
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Not quite following...

Why does Pinnacle get "merged" with the list at NW... and XJT'rs get stapled to the bottom at CAL?

Quite frankly... I firmly believe that MANY regional folks would not go for that option anyway. There are many regional guys that have WAY more seniority than the CAL guys. IMO stapleing to the bottom is not even remotely going to solve the "regional" woes.

Besides... what would you do with the likes of CHQ/Republic, SkyWest, Mesa, etc... who all fly for multiple carriers?

Bob
 
Because Pinnacles does the majority of their contract flying for Northwest, as Express does for CAL.

You put up a fence for 10 years and that would preserve your relative senority until all the kinks get worked out.

Doing this would protect the jobs at mainline, which is where these routes should be. Houston to Toronto? Is that REALLY something for a "regional" jet to fly? And if the mainline wants to run smaller jets with more frequency then great! But it'd prevent us from being #####d out and would stop compitition between regionals fighting for the scraps of the big carriers.

What do you with CHQ? SkywesT? Mesa? I dunno, burn em at the stake? :)
 
jtrain609 said:
Because Pinnacles does the majority of their contract flying for Northwest, as Express does for CAL.
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Oh, I get your logic as to why they should be integrated... I was just wondering why you thought Pinnacle should be "merged" but XJT should be "stapled to the bottom"?

Bob
 
BTW, Mark . . . if QOL, pay, bases, etc aren't so important, why should a single pilot at Colgan want ALPA representation? If what you're saying is true, we (pilots) should simply go to a regional and accept what we get. After all, it's all about career progression. Get in, get out.

Is that what you were saying?
 
Captain_Bob said:
Oh, I get your logic as to why they should be integrated... I was just wondering why you thought Pinnacle should be "merged" but XJT should be "stapled to the bottom"?

Bob
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Whoops, if I used two different things to describe what I think should happen then I misspoke. I think both should be stapled to the bottom of the lists.

The deal with having a fence up is that nobody would see that it happened for 10 years and then you could have some movement up and down. But the point being get it all on the same list.
 
But the big question is...would these regionals want to be incorporated into mainline? You have stockholders of both parties to please before you can do such a task as well as the other labor parties and union workers.
 
Hey I'm not talking about the mechanics of how to make it happen, I'm just talkin' about how to stop the slide! :)
 
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