Use MESA as a time-building tool?

I have to agree also with the point CRoper is saying. If one doesn't have a passion for aviation, hanging around airports, enjoy looking out the window, don't get into it.

I LOVE my job and have a passion for it as well as flying. I love showing up for work in the morning and taking people from point A to point B.

Aviation is a passion. Treat it as such, not a job to move onto something you might think is bigger or better. If that is the attitude you bring to the table, you will be disappointed in the long run.
 
I would stay as far away from that place as possible. I made the mistake the mistake of going there first, and it showed me an example of how bad a place can be. No communication horrible, horrible training, your better off flying freight, or instructing forever than goin there.

And as far the wash out rate, for what its worth i think that all line pilots and most people who do the hiring has heard all the stories about mesa, I washed out of mesa, and was hired the next week at xjet. My situation was a little different though, even the chief pilot agreed I got a crappy deal and told me i could go back in 6 months if i desired. Now that im employed with a real airline, i know that will never be happening.
 
I would avoid there as well. I ran into one of my flight instructors from a few years ago. He had just left Skywest and was just hired by Continental. I told him I was still planning on Skywest but was a little concerned that it was going to be the new American Eagle (taking forever to upgrade) and that it's always tempting to leave instructing and go for a regional that has lowered its mins. He told me not to worry to much about that, and that as long as I didn't go to mesa I would be fine. That (and all the other storys you always here) is enough for me to know. Big fat no to Mesa! LoL.
 
meritflyer said:
John: Who the hell do you work for?

BrandX: UPS for 21 years. Who the hell do you work for?

John: I am a new hire at ExpressJet.

I love it! :)
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What can I say, I'm a little bit on edge these days with private pilots trying to explain to me how you don't need to know X to progress in this career. So when somebody with six posts comes in and starts yelling, "THIS SUCKS AND THAT SUCKS" I become real skeptical real fast.
 
jtrain609 said:
What can I say, I'm a little bit on edge these days with private pilots trying to explain to me how you don't need to know X to progress in this career. So when somebody with six posts comes in and starts yelling, "THIS SUCKS AND THAT SUCKS" I become real skeptical real fast.
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I know why you went that way, it happens all the time around here, some newbie comes along and spouts some wannabe knowitall crap:bandit: and you call 'em on it . . . I love that. It's just funny this time, don't change bro you're doin' fine:rawk:
 
jtrain609 said:
What can I say, I'm a little bit on edge these days with private pilots trying to explain to me how you don't need to know X to progress in this career. So when somebody with six posts comes in and starts yelling, "THIS SUCKS AND THAT SUCKS" I become real skeptical real fast.
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I aint got nothing but <3 for you.
 
I know plenty of people that use MESA as a stepping stone to better things. Mainly carriers like Republic and Skywest. I have several friends there right now doing it. Both of them got hired at around 700/60 and will fly for a year then probably jump ship after putting in 1000 hours in the jet.
 
jtrain609 said:
What can I say, I'm a little bit on edge these days with private pilots trying to explain to me how you don't need to know X to progress in this career. So when somebody with six posts comes in and starts yelling, "THIS SUCKS AND THAT SUCKS" I become real skeptical real fast.
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bumblebee said:
I know why you went that way, it happens all the time around here, some newbie comes along and spouts some wannabe knowitall crap:bandit: and you call 'em on it . . . I love that. It's just funny this time, don't change bro you're doin' fine:rawk:
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I hear ya John. Keep up the good work.

I don't know as a newbie to aviation on here one should ask a TON of questions, I did, but have open ears. And some of those new to aviation on here these past few months really haven't had those open ears.

Brand X welcome to Jetcareers. Trust me John wasn't attacking you personally, he gets quite passionate about things, and is one to admit when he is wrong and listen to those like yourself who have gone before and make it.



And in the end, when all is said and done, doesn't matter who offends who on here, we are all a 'virtual family' and when we meet have a blast.

FIRST ROUND IS ON JOHN!

:D
 
Seggy said:
I LOVE my job and have a passion for it as well as flying. I love showing up for work in the morning and taking people from point A to point B.

Aviation is a passion. Treat it as such, not a job to move onto something you might think is bigger or better. If that is the attitude you bring to the table, you will be disappointed in the long run.
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Unfortunately, Mark, that's not what we've been getting lately. We've been getting a lot of bitter, angry people that have nothing better to do than complain about the way things are.

It's kind of sad . . . we have to do everything we can to show people that it is what you make it!!
 
mtsu_av8er said:
Unfortunately, Mark, that's not what we've been getting lately. We've been getting a lot of bitter, angry people that have nothing better to do than complain about the way things are.

It's kind of sad . . . we have to do everything we can to show people that it is what you make it!!
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meritflyer said:
I know plenty of people that use MESA as a stepping stone to better things. Mainly carriers like Republic and Skywest. I have several friends there right now doing it. Both of them got hired at around 700/60 and will fly for a year then probably jump ship after putting in 1000 hours in the jet.
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Even though it is a better move, making a lateral move at the regionals has gotta suck. I try to tell all the CFIs I know to wait for SKYW or a better place like it first. Don't wanna do regional first year twice!!
 
Can't say I've been in it nearly as long as you, and I can't really disagree with your position from where you're looking at it.
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:yeahthat:

. . .if that! If so, some people are blessed with finding that niche; most others aren't. The only other flying jobs I'm familiar that probably isn't truly thrilling are the ones where someone is shooting lead in your direction or has some surface to air ball of steel roaring towards your six. Those are the times one might wish they were flying regionals.
 
OldTownPilot said:
Flying an RJ is a JOB (and should be treated as such) not a time building experience. (except for TPIC to go to a major.)
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you can say the same thing about flight instructing... its all about moving up during your career though, thus all jobs are timebuilders untill youre a captain at that major airline pulling in six figures.
 
bike21 said:
Even though it is a better move, making a lateral move at the regionals has gotta suck. I try to tell all the CFIs I know to wait for SKYW or a better place like it first. Don't wanna do regional first year twice!!
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i fully agree! im kinda one of the most senior flight instructors at my flight school (after only 5 months!) cause im waiting for Skywest or even.... Horizon. Everyone else is there to get hired at the first airline that they can get an interview with.
 
Brand X said:
No such thing as a "quality" regional. Only regionals that suck less than other regionals.
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Brand X said:
I would group Colgan with the rest of the lowest tier of regionals. They just happen to suck more than the other regionals do. The bottom line is ALL regionals suck and are not/never where meant to be a career destination. Use them for what they are, an experience enhancing JOB and go on to some place that is a real career.
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Brand X said:
I fly for UPS and since I started flying professionally 21 years ago, I've always had way more than 4 days off a month. In a 28 day pay period, I fly on average 12 days and I'm off 16 days.
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Heh.

I hold 16 days off a month, every month, fly free first class to Tokyo, have a 401k match at 5%, full benefits, better reserve rules than mainline, a better bid system than malinline, make enough money to live comfortaby in a very cool, very expensive apartment in trendy Hoboken (Oh, by the way, my pay is higher than a 1st year CAL FO flying a 767...) and I enjoy a work group whose morale is higher than any legacy carrier I can think of. No, I don't think this 'sucks' by any measure.

Further, since I live in base and hold day trips (sleeping in my own bed every night is wonderful), I fly with plenty of people who have made ExpressJet a career. These guys typically drive luxury automobiles, have nice houses in the Poconos, and can afford to send their kids to private schools and take their wives to Paris during their 4 weeks of vacation. Something tells me they don't really think it 'sucks' either.

I am continually amused by people who are incapable of separating a slipshod operation like Mesa from a industry-leading company like ExpressJet on the grounds that they equipment they operate is externally similar. I find it difficult to get angry at these people, however, as it is painfully obvious that they are speaking from a standpoint of complete and utter ignorance. It must 'suck' to be them.

~

John, I think you will soon find that you were not owned by any stretch of the imagination. Welcome to the Monkey House (re: Vonnegut).
 
Hey guys, thanks for reminding me that the regional airline I work for "sucks". I need to be reminded because things keep happening that make me think otherwise.

Early on when I had to ask a captain what a "stand-up" was and got the answer, I didn't think my company sucked. I still haven't done one after a couple months on line. I haven't even seen on in open time.

When I was on reserve for less than a month I didn't think my company sucked.

When I was drinking a cerveza in Mexico on Cinco de Mayo on an overnight, I didn't think my company sucked.

When more money appeared in my bank account than with anything I've ever done before, I didn't think my company sucked.

When I asked for the last 2 days of June off and they gave me the last 5 (with 15 days off in the month), I didn't think my company sucked.

When I was able to trade up and build a money-making line for myself worth 99:50 in July, I didn't think my company sucked. What's PBS?

The times Newark has been all fouled up and I'm sitting out on the ramp making money while waiting to take off, I didn't think my company sucked.

So I'm going to go out on a limb and say that for someone who went from flying a 1,764-lb GA plane in a flight instructing job to flying for a regional, ExpressJet doesn't suck. It's awesome, actually.

Mike
 
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