USAPA versus Leonidas

It wasn't ever about the captains. Very few of them would have lost much. In fact the top 400+ slots went to them. This was about the FOs who, after 10 years of almost no movement and several years of furlough were about to start climbing the list again.
 
BobDDuck said:
It wasn't ever about the captains. Very few of them would have lost much. In fact the top 400+ slots went to them. This was about the FOs who, after 10 years of almost no movement and several years of furlough were about to start climbing the list again.
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Welp, that's a tough situation, I hope the Airways FO's make out well. When so often junior pilots get tossed under (or feel like they get tossed under) the bus it's nice to see the pilot group go the other way on that one. How long until the FO's retire? Or is that another decade?
 
jynxyjoe said:
Maybe no one is benefiting financially, but we can all agree keeping your seniority is a pretty good deal? Wasn't you that said pay is temporary and seniority is forever during the SWA/AT SLI?
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Yes, that was me, and that's still my opinion. But that's not the issue here. This seniority dispute is settled. They submitted their issues to binding arbitration, and the neutral third party rendered a binding decision. Case closed. They lost their seniority battle, so now all they have left to fight for is money. They just aren't smart enough to realize it.

it really doesn't bother me they pushed the nuke button.
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Of course it doesn't. Because you're not the one getting screwed over by it.

the Airways guys are doing it for some reason that benefits them.
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No, they're doing it because they THINK it benefits them. Big difference. Pilots have a strong tendency to not be very pragmatic.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
This seniority dispute is settled. They submitted their issues to binding arbitration, and the neutral third party rendered a binding decision. Case closed.
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I would say it is hardly closed, I think the westies would say the same. Maybe it should be closed, but the east pilots had another option, one they exercised exactly as they threatened.
ATN_Pilot said:
Of course it doesn't. Because you're not the one getting screwed over by it.
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By your own definition the Airways guys are screwing themselves too, and they seem to believe the standoff is the lesser of two evils. Since they are being screwed too, don't their opinions matter?

The east pilots are self determinate by sheer numbers, pragmatism be damned.
ATN_Pilot said:
No, they're doing it because they THINK it benefits them. Big difference. Pilots have a strong tendency to not be very pragmatic.
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Lol, yeah I understand the sentiment and it goes well with your line of thinking. However, just because you THINK it doesn't benefit them doesn't convince THEM of it. Nor does it convince me.

You have a very good point and a great case. However some extra pragmatism may be in order since the Airways guys (so far) have been able to do whatever they hell they want as long as they don't mind accepting a trade off (pay).

We don't agree on this. I'm willing to move on to other subjects.
 
jynxyjoe said:
I would say it is hardly closed, I think the westies would say the same. Maybe it should be closed, but the east pilots had another option, one they exercised exactly as they threatened.
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No, it's closed. The East Infections just haven't figured it out yet. It's going to take yet another arbitrator ramming it up their collective you-know-what for them to finally wake up and realize that binding really does mean binding.

By your own definition the Airways guys are screwing themselves too, and they seem to believe the standoff is the lesser of two evils. Since they are being screwed too, don't their opinions matter?
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No, the only opinion that matters is the opinion of George Nicolau, and he made his opinion known years ago.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
No, it's closed. The East Infections just haven't figured it out yet. It's going to take yet another arbitrator ramming it up their collective you-know-what for them to finally wake up and realize that binding really does mean binding.

No, the only opinion that matters is the opinion of George Nicolau, and he made his opinion known years ago.
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Well, they'll get to enjoy their fake seniority for a while longer. Plus they'll get the JCBA rates for a while before the new SLI.

I forecast this to be a short contract talk with a long SLI negotiation.
 
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