USA Today Article About Regional Airlines

Roger Roger said:
Maybe that's what it works out to on paper, but I doubt there would be as many 9K lifers in the northeast as there are if that was a real world W2 number. I think that given the ability to only generate revenue for the company 9 people at a time they do pretty well. Of course I'm sure they like the rest of the middle class have seen wages fail to rise enough to equal inflation over the last 20 years or so but yeah.
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I don't think they do many overnights either. I once met a CA down in Caribbean that said he made ~80k/yr fly mostly day vfr in a 402, he was paid per duty hour and was home every night (or so he told me).

Different strokes for different folks.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Is that what they're telling you guys?

Pretty sure that due to his past connections Philosopher has a way better idea on what is going on over here than you do.
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I don't have any inside knowledge on the issue, and if I did I wouldn't blast it on here. :)

I'm hoping everything works out for XJT/ASA. I've got a bunch of buddies over there working their asses off as junior captains. What a punch in the face if it shrinks away to nothing.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
I don't have any inside knowledge on the issue, and if I did I wouldn't blast it on here. :)

I'm hoping everything works out for XJT/ASA. I've got a bunch of buddies over there working their asses off as junior captains. What a punch in the face if it shrinks away to nothing.
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I'm sure you still have a better understanding than the kool aid factory.

I still work here. No drawdown yet. It's not rainbows and ponies, but just business as usual.
 
Roger Roger said:
I think 80k is pretty senior money there but it's pretty dang good for a 402.
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Just saying,

The pay scale tops at 25/hr after 14 years according to APC. He'd have to work 12.5 hr duty days every day taking into account overtime to make 80k.

Would be wild if true. But 14 yrs + aren't really the kind of pay scale problems we are talking about here....

Edit: After more research it looks like the Caribbean pays more but its late so I'm not doing any more math.

Edit edit: I may be completely talking out of my ass here.
 
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T/O w/FSII said:
Just saying,

The pay scale tops at 25/hr after 14 years according to APC. He'd have to work 12.5 hr duty days every day taking into account overtime to make 80k.

Would be wild if true. But 14 yrs + aren't really the kind of pay scale problems we are talking about here....

Edit: After more research it looks like the Caribbean pays more but its late so I'm not doing any more math.

Edit edit: I may be completely talking out of my ass here.
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*shrug* all I know is from what I've heard they have a fair number of lifers and I doubt a guy could make that work on the cape on 32 grand a year.
 
Now American is shrinking Envoy's fleet in a cost-cutting squeeze. "The future of our carrier looks bleak. I've never seen morale lower," says Sprague, who also is a union leader. He says many pilots are bolting for low-cost carriers such as Spirit, Allegiant and Frontier, or even to fly corporate planes.
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Hahaha or "even" to fly corporate planes. He also mentions the likes of Spirit, Allegiant and Frontier. Sorry man but those places were far better to go to than Eagle even before Eagle/Envoy's problems began. Some people are just myopic.
 
Congress talking about it more ?? Really??!?? Didn't know that.
floridabeachbum said:
I can't help but wonder with all the articles coming out about pilot pay pilot shortage Congress talking about it a hell of a lot more alpa now with a snazzy video do you get the feeling something is about to happen? Like say after the midterm elections?
Pure speculation but when there is a lot of activity all of a sudden I say hmmmmmmmmm.
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T/O w/FSII said:
Just saying,

The pay scale tops at 25/hr after 14 years according to APC. He'd have to work 12.5 hr duty days every day taking into account overtime to make 80k.

Would be wild if true. But 14 yrs + aren't really the kind of pay scale problems we are talking about here....

Edit: After more research it looks like the Caribbean pays more but its late so I'm not doing any more math.

Edit edit: I may be completely talking out of my ass here.
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@dasleben used to work there, he could get into the specifics
 
T/O w/FSII said:
Just saying,

The pay scale tops at 25/hr after 14 years according to APC. He'd have to work 12.5 hr duty days every day taking into account overtime to make 80k.

Would be wild if true. But 14 yrs + aren't really the kind of pay scale problems we are talking about here....

Edit: After more research it looks like the Caribbean pays more but its late so I'm not doing any more math.

Edit edit: I may be completely talking out of my ass here.
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There are guys/gals there who make $80k, but it's not common except in the higher levels of the seniority list. It also takes a lot of work. I'm pretty sure the Caribbean override went the way of the dodo with their new CBA, too. I don't recall how overtime worked, and it's probably changed now, anyway.

That said, my first year at Cape I made $48k, which is decent scratch for a 402. That included 4 months with a $3/hr Caribbean override, 6 months working 50+ hour weeks (paid by the duty hour, as mentioned above), and a couple months of slacking.

Duty hour pay, while sounding good on the surface, really means that you just spend a lot more time away from your house for your pay. I'd rather have efficient, flight-hour-driven schedules.
 
dasleben said:
There are guys/gals there who make $80k, but it's not common except in the higher levels of the seniority list. It also takes a lot of work. I'm pretty sure the Caribbean override went the way of the dodo with their new CBA, too. I don't recall how overtime worked, and it's probably changed now, anyway.

That said, my first year at Cape I made $48k, which is decent scratch for a 402. That included 4 months with a $3/hr Caribbean override, 6 months working 50+ hour weeks (paid by the duty hour, as mentioned above), and a couple months of slacking.

Duty hour pay, while sounding good on the surface, really means that you just spend a lot more time away from your house for your pay. I'd rather have efficient, flight-hour-driven schedules.
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How in the world do they move every season? Month to month on an apartment/utilities/etc.?
 
bc2209 said:
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How in the world do they move every season? Month to month on an apartment/utilities/etc.?
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Short-term leases, yeah. When I went to the Caribbean, I split a furnished 3-bedroom condo with a couple other pilots. That company has so many bases now that the whole seasonal shuffle is more or less optional.

Some people really like it, to be honest. Endless summer. :)
 
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