ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
Not me, I listen to everybody, even IFR and think about where they're all at.
USA now = Cactus ?
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Not me, I listen to everybody, even IFR and think about where they're all at.
staplegun
Well-Known Member
Doug -
I have a very good "friend" who worked for USAir for 3 years and then was hired at Delta. (At Delta on the 727 the engineer usually made all of the routine anouncements.)
On his first 727 flight engineer trip after IOE my "friend" made the after take-off anouncement, followed seconds later by the A-line banging on the cockpit door (think pre-9/11):
"Did you just call us 'USAir flt XXX??!?"
My "friend" had to get back on the PA and make a correction to the sound of laughter in the background from the Captain & F/O...
Kevin
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
I hear that was pretty common on some of the TSA flights where they had dual-use aircraft.
staplegun
Well-Known Member
Oh, snap!
Meanwhile, I was so happy to drop the "Skywayex" callsign, I think I was almost using Delta the instant I got the acceptance letter.
Hey! I hear "your people" are getting some more LR's soon!
Yeah, can't wait for that 72-hour Kuwait City layover...
Kevin
staplegun
Well-Known Member
Make sure you call me on Skype on the beach in Nice, mmm'kay?
You know, Doug, you've seen one pair of fried-eggs on the beach you've seen 'em all...
Kevin
JaceTheAce
Well-Known Member
Had to hear it all day on the radios today. "US Air...correction Cactus 1500." Even the controllers were making the mistake almost every time.
L-16B
Well-Known Member
We had a captain on the Q that used to fly for United Express, and needless to say he made his announcement as Continental Express. The Expressjet guy on the plane was not pleased, and told the captain that he only flew for Continental Connection. Man, us prop guys are crappy pilots! :nana2:
flyinawa
Well-Known Member
Huh? You guys need to read the press releases some more. If AWE and USA would not have MERGED..... BOTH groups would be out of business.
AWE made sacrifices? They gained seats in widebodies that AWE would have never purchased and got routes they would have never earned....Boy they sure took one for the team
Really? No sacrifices? After the merger, all growth at AWA stopped. EVERY furloughed USAir pilot was called back who wanted to come back and a large number of new hires came onboard on the East side. We won't even get into the fact that they were only a couple of days from liquidation. Additionally, 150+ AWA pilots who were ACTIVE before the merger are now getting furloughed notices, only NEWHIRES on the East are getting furloughed. And AWA would have been out of business because they were relatively regionalized? Like Frontier went out of business? That's purely speculation on your part.
Had you flown on USAir for the 3 years preceeding the merger? They had become the consistantly WORST airline in the industry. Moral was at an all time low and everyone was just waiting for the last shoe to drop. Every other airline was just waiting for them to go away as a means of eliminating the overcapacity in the industry. SouthWest was licking their chops at the prospect of taking over PHL and doing a massive expansion in the Northeast. Don't believe me? Ask a SW pilot about career expectations with USAir out of the picture. I conceed that USAir was a bigger company but what does that have to do with finacial health? Ask a former Pan Am or TWA pilot. So they had more airplanes, more destinations, and a bloated management structure. Why use the America West name, forcing more aircraft to be repainted and signage to be changed? I agree, that USAir has a more "legacy" sound to it making it better suited to International flying. But you can't pidgeonhole America West as a small Western regional airline without implying Southwest is the same. They seem to be doing fine, but perhaps you believe yourself to be a better judge...
So what? It will take about 3 days, just like when the airlines blended each other's procedures into new checklists. Both sides kicked and screamed but now nobody even remembers the old stuff. Besides, it's not like it will create confusion amoungst passengers....unless they are wandering around the terminal with transceivers.
Evidently, you know absolutely nothing about this so called "merger". If you have no affiliation, why do you care anyway? I think there is more that you're not sharing.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
Who cares?
You going to be in the crewroom sometime in the next week? I am the hot reserve specialist this month so I will be around. I need my back shaved and its your turn to be it.
Give me a call and we can set something up.
NJA_Capt
Well-Known Member
Gee. Ya think. Overnight their route structure tripled and they suddenly had Int'l routes. What else do you think they could handle?
Actually it is historical fact, as evidence of the few articles published at the time (that you didn't address). If you feel I posted the reports in error...please feel free to post links to the contrary. There was a article written a few years ago that plainly stated (by an AWE VP) that without the "merger" neither company would have survived.
I have flown USAir since they 1989 iteration. For the last 10 years I have flown them approx 50 flts/yr. I am quite familiar.
I said nothing about the financial health. The point is that AWE pilots now have access to airplanes and routes that they would have never gotten otherwise. As a matter of fact, the last few flights I have had on historical US-E routes, were flown by AWE crews/aircraft (Quite uncomfortable seats and no power ports on their Airbus'...:banghead: )
I never claimed it was a regionalized airline. I said their callsign represented a regional symbol. Southwest isn't using a regionalized icon as their callsign either.
I know quite a lot about this "merger." And the US/PI merger also.
So why do I care? Because so many people are boo hooing for AWE and claiming falsely that AWE BOUGHT USair. People seem to forget that AWE was in bad shape itself prior to the merger. Both sides brought something to the table, but -E brought twice as much.
I have asked this before. Suppose you are a 15 year pilot with DAL/UAL etc and one day they merge with PSA. After the merger 5 year PSA Capts are given seats in DAL/UAL B777s, PSA crews/planes start flying DAL/UAL routes, and 8 year DAL/UAL FOs are furloughed to keep 2nd year PSA FOs employed.
Would you still feel the same way?
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Flew into CLT yesteday, and it was almost nothing but a bitchfest from the US Airways guys. The controllers were starting to get adapted to it, but the pilots were constantly complaining about it on the freq.
On a side note, are the controllers in CLT always so anal? I was told "left turn off the runway," and I took a reverse highspeed.....and got a number to call from ground. WTF? I don't ever remember seeing anything that said you needed permission to use a reverse high speed, and we do it all the time in DTW, MEM and MSP without asking permission. But, the guy I talked to in the CLT tower was saying I needed clearance b/c it triggered a false alarm on the ground surveillance radar. If that's the case, then they either need to toss out a NOTAM or Pinnacle needs to add that to the CCI (10-7 for you Jepp guys) pages.
On a side note, are the controllers in CLT always so anal? I was told "left turn off the runway," and I took a reverse highspeed.....and got a number to call from ground. WTF? I don't ever remember seeing anything that said you needed permission to use a reverse high speed, and we do it all the time in DTW, MEM and MSP without asking permission. But, the guy I talked to in the CLT tower was saying I needed clearance b/c it triggered a false alarm on the ground surveillance radar. If that's the case, then they either need to toss out a NOTAM or Pinnacle needs to add that to the CCI (10-7 for you Jepp guys) pages.
