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Flyjustin said:
My thing is I'm 5 numbers from being back on reserve. So it goes by block days off/on right? So would it be better to stay in a crash pad for 4-5 days waiting for my phone to ring, or sit on my couch? I read 13 days off is the minimum. So those are hard days off correct (non- phone liable) and any other day not called is just a day I can be a couch potato?
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Tread lightly. Cargo seems to never go as planned and supplemental 121 really never goes as planned. I obviously don't work there but I have heard stories of how supplemental 121 is worse than when I was in cargo. Basically commuting to XJT reserve was a QOL upgrade for me even though I had a proper 4 on 3 off schedule while in cargo. Having a contract is also way better than not. Especially in the wild west of supplemental 121.
 
I don't work there but it is my understanding is that your 13 days off a month are by bid and you are not required to answer your phone. If you are on the road they will get you home for your day off or ask if they can buy the day back for x $ / day.

Some schedules are 13 on straight then off. Others are broken up throughout the month.

Seniority bid system

121 Supplemental is the wild west of aviation..

If the regs don't say you cannot do it in black and white then it must be legal :sarcasm:
 
Would've been nice if I were still in MI. would love the chance to fly some older equipment. All the new technology almost takes the fun out of it.
 
JaceTheAce said:
Yes. Not waivable. I think you need either 1000 hours of 135 PIC or 1000 hours of 121 SIC.
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I'm gonna thread creep, but 1000 hours at Cape Air in a 402 counts, but not 6000 hours in most other 135 operations. Lovely... :) OUR you awake for a FONE call?
 
UAL747400 said:
I'm gonna thread creep, but 1000 hours at Cape Air in a 402 counts, but not 6000 hours in most other 135 operations. Lovely... :) OUR you awake for a FONE call?
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Yeah, its lovely. DC9 captain will probably go to junior to me in this next bid cycle for captain. But, only flying 250 hours a year takes a long time to have the regulatory time to get to captain.
 
JaceTheAce said:
Yes. Not waivable. I think you need either 1000 hours of 135 PIC or 1000 hours of 121 SIC.
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yup the regs are farked. 135 PIC hauling pax counts toward the 1000 121 time requirement. Hauling boxes doesn't

So flying a 135 402 with pax is better experience than flying a Falcon 20 in the FL's with boxes according to the FAA....

I think a couple of freight companies wrote the FAA on this and lost...
 
Bandit_Driver said:
yup the regs are farked. 135 PIC hauling pax counts toward the 1000 121 time requirement. Hauling boxes doesn't

So flying a 135 402 with pax is better experience than flying a Falcon 20 in the FL's with boxes according to the FAA....

I think a couple of freight companies wrote the FAA on this and lost...
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10 pax seats or more OR under 135 commuter. Also PIC in the Falcon under 135 would count as it's turbojet and requires and ATP. 135.243a(1).
So running ad-hoc 402 or king air charter does not count.
 
z987k said:
10 pax seats or more OR under 135 commuter. Also PIC in the Falcon under 135 would count as it's turbojet and requires and ATP. 135.243a(1).
So running ad-hoc 402 or king air charter does not count.
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Unfortunately the Falcon 20 time would only count toward the 121 PIC minimums under 135.243(a)(1) if it was passenger operations.
(A)= passenger operation
(1)= turbojet airplanes, or having 10 or more seats, or of a Multi engine airplane in commuter operations as defined in part 119
 
z987k said:
10 pax seats or more OR under 135 commuter. Also PIC in the Falcon under 135 would count as it's turbojet and requires and ATP. 135.243a(1).
So running ad-hoc 402 or king air charter does not count.
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Which is why the whole thing is a freaking joke.

Beep said:
Unfortunately the Falcon 20 time would only count toward the 121 PIC minimums under 135.243(a)(1) if it was passenger operations.
(A)= passenger operation
(1)= turbojet airplanes, or having 10 or more seats, or of a Multi engine airplane in commuter operations as defined in part 119
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You know, reading the whole thing, it does appear to be that way. So even PIC on a box hauling jet under 135 doesn't count. Even found a LOI stating as much http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...2014/kelley - (2014) legal interpretation.pdf
 
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Beep said:
Unfortunately the Falcon 20 time would only count toward the 121 PIC minimums under 135.243(a)(1) if it was passenger operations.
(A)= passenger operation
(1)= turbojet airplanes, or having 10 or more seats, or of a Multi engine airplane in commuter operations as defined in part 119
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You know, somehow I've missed that. So ALL freight in 135 no matter the airplane does not count simply because it's not PAX. It's not just that the freighter 1900 doesn't have 10 pax seats in it... since it doesn't fall under 135.243(a) at all, it's just not even close to complying.
They were actually pretty explicit in the interpretation to.
 
IIRC first year DC9 is about 50k, but I think it may be more with their rigs

The schedule is bid for by seniority...I'm told most can be commutable if you are doing a 2 or 3 leg commute or transcon starting out.

You can crash in the bunks at the airport or get your own crash pad in YIP. I'm told they aren't too bad.
 
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