US to impose tariff on Airbus aircraft after WTO authorization

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The U.S. plans to swiftly impose tariffs on $7.5 billion in aircraft, food products and other goods from the European Union after the World Trade Organization authorized the levies Wednesday, citing the EU’s subsidies to Airbus.

The new duties represent the most significant trade action against the EU since the Trump administration hit the bloc with steel and aluminium duties last year, and could further sour relations between allies that have long sought to resolve trade disputes without resorting to tariffs.

“I’m tempted to say it will poison the well on other U.S.-EU trade issues, but the well is pretty poisoned anyways,” said William Reinsch, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. The Trump administration “wants to watch the Europeans squirm for a while,” he said.

The Office of the U.S. Trade Representative said it would impose the tariffs starting Oct. 18, with 10% levies on jetliners and 25% duties on other products including Irish and Scotch whiskies, cheeses and hand tools.

The U.S. was authorized to impose tariffs of up to 100% on $7.5 billion of goods by the WTO in what has been a 15-year battle over support programs for Airbus and U.S. aerospace rival Boeing Co. BA +0.91% The latter had pushed for a 100% duty on Airbus jets.

The global trade regulator had already determined that both aircraft makers received illegal government subsidies, with the case against the Airbus subsidies moving through the WTO system first.

For years, Europe has been providing massive subsidies to Airbus that have seriously injured the U.S. aerospace industry and our workers,” U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer said in a statement. “Finally, after 15 years of litigation, the WTO has confirmed that the United States is entitled to impose countermeasures in response to the EU’s illegal subsidies.”

Following the decision, Airbus called on Washington and Brussels to avoid tariffs that would “severely impact” the aircraft industry, hurt U.S.-EU trade relations and damage the global economy.

Duties would raise costs for airlines on both sides of the Atlantic and hit a U.S. supply chain employing 275,000 people and generating billions of dollars in revenue annually, the European plane maker said.

“Airbus is therefore hopeful that the U.S. and the EU will agree to find a negotiated solution,” Chief Executive Guillaume Faury said in a statement. The aircraft maker, which risks losing sales if tariffs take hold, sources some 40% of its parts from the U.S. and has a plant in Mobile, Ala.

Boeing accused Airbus of refusing to comply with WTO rulings in the long-running case and pushing the U.S. toward placing tariffs on European exports.

“Airbus could still completely avoid these tariffs by coming into full compliance with its obligations,” the Chicago-based company said. “We hope it will finally do that.”


U.S. carriers with Airbus fleets said the levies could lead to higher fares and threaten jobs.

“Imposing tariffs on aircraft that U.S. companies have already committed to will inflict serious harm on U.S. airlines, the millions of Americans they employ and the traveling public,” Delta Air Lines Inc. DAL -2.91% said.

The WTO is set to rule on Boeing’s subsidies early next year, at which point the EU will be authorized to strike back with tariffs of its own.

An eight-page list of the goods facing 25% tariffs published Wednesday by the USTR includes a wide assortment of popular European foodstuffs such as coffees, olives, cheeses, liqueurs and cordials. Industrial goods making the list include electromechanical tools and backhoes.

Other tariff threats loom over the EU. President Trump is poised to decide by Nov. 13 whether to tax cars and auto parts from Europe, risking a rapid escalation of duties on trans-Atlantic automotive trade worth some $100 billion. Leaders of a new EU administration, slated to take office Nov. 1, have urged Mr. Trump to avoid a trade war.

Washington is able to move quickly because it had previously published a list of up to $21 billion of European goods that were candidates for tariffs. Brussels has a $20 billion list of U.S. exports to target.

“If somebody is imposing tariffs on our aviation companies, we will do exactly the same,” European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said Wednesday evening in Brussels at an event held by the American Chamber of Commerce to the European Union.

EU Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmström said the U.S. hasn’t responded to an EU proposal from July for a comprehensive plan to regulate subsidies for the civil-aircraft industry and establish a global framework.

A senior USTR official said Europe hadn’t reached out for negotiations until last month, adding that the U.S. hopes the new tariffs will bring Europe to the table.

A U.S.-EU fight at a time Russia and China are subsidizing their aircraft makers to compete with the world’s two biggest plane manufacturers would be counterproductive, European officials said.

Europe could consider imposing tariffs before pursuing a broader settlement and even before the WTO rules on its case against Boeing, according to EU diplomats.

To avoid doing nothing until that WTO ruling, the EU is considering revoking a settlement with the U.S. from 2006 over tax exemptions for international sales structures used by Boeing and other U.S. companies known as foreign-sales corporations.
Such a move could affect some $4 billion worth of U.S. exports, but also risks unraveling decades of similar trade settlements.


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Some interesting thoughts on this here on JC, 14 years ago......

 
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I'm going with female Derg here. As if the US hasn't subsidized and given other "unfair"(if we're going that route with these tariffs, anyway) advantages to Boeing.

Rest of the world: We need to ground the 737MAX and figure out why it likes to nose dive into the earth.

FAA: Not a problem for 'Muriken pilots, learn to fly.

I'm so sure that if the A320NEO had had the 737MAX issues that the FAA would be singing the same tune in the early weeks/months. Just one example.
 
How much in heavily-padded military procurement contracts is Boeing “subsidized” with every year?

Also, this whiskey tariff is the last straw. I was on the fence about impeachment before, but now I want him impeached, removed, and sent to Guantanamo.

This is just the first case. EU Boeing tariffs are next.
 
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I'm going with female Derg here. As if the US hasn't subsidized and given other "unfair"(if we're going that route with these tariffs, anyway) advantages to Boeing.

Rest of the world: We need to ground the 737MAX and figure out why it likes to nose dive into the earth.

FAA: Not a problem for 'Muriken pilots, learn to fly.

I'm so sure that if the A320NEO had had the 737MAX issues that the FAA would be singing the same tune in the early weeks/months. Just one example.

The A320 series had the exact same problem, but the crew was able to turn off enough computers to force the airplane into alternate law.

It's a memory item now, and I imagine it always will be.
 
The A320 series had the exact same problem, but the crew was able to turn off enough computers to force the airplane into alternate law.

It's a memory item now, and I imagine it always will be.
Software update fixed it on our planes
 
The U.S. plans to swiftly impose tariffs on $7.5 billion in aircraft, food products and other goods from the European Union after the World Trade Organization authorized the levies Wednesday, citing the EU’s subsidies to Airbus.

The new duties represent the most significant trade action against the EU since the Trump administration hit the bloc with steel and aluminium duties last year, and could further sour relations between allies that have long sought to resolve trade disputes without resorting to tariffs.

“I’m tempted to say it will poison the well on other U.S.-EU trade issues, but the well is pretty poisoned anyways,” said William Reinsch, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. The Trump administration “wants to watch the Europeans squirm for a while,” he said.

The Office of the U.S. Trade Representative said it would impose the tariffs starting Oct. 18, with 10% levies on jetliners and 25% duties on other products including Irish and Scotch whiskies, cheeses and hand tools.

The U.S. was authorized to impose tariffs of up to 100% on $7.5 billion of goods by the WTO in what has been a 15-year battle over support programs for Airbus and U.S. aerospace rival Boeing Co. BA +0.91% The latter had pushed for a 100% duty on Airbus jets.

The global trade regulator had already determined that both aircraft makers received illegal government subsidies, with the case against the Airbus subsidies moving through the WTO system first.

For years, Europe has been providing massive subsidies to Airbus that have seriously injured the U.S. aerospace industry and our workers,” U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer said in a statement. “Finally, after 15 years of litigation, the WTO has confirmed that the United States is entitled to impose countermeasures in response to the EU’s illegal subsidies.”

Following the decision, Airbus called on Washington and Brussels to avoid tariffs that would “severely impact” the aircraft industry, hurt U.S.-EU trade relations and damage the global economy.

Duties would raise costs for airlines on both sides of the Atlantic and hit a U.S. supply chain employing 275,000 people and generating billions of dollars in revenue annually, the European plane maker said.

“Airbus is therefore hopeful that the U.S. and the EU will agree to find a negotiated solution,” Chief Executive Guillaume Faury said in a statement. The aircraft maker, which risks losing sales if tariffs take hold, sources some 40% of its parts from the U.S. and has a plant in Mobile, Ala.

Boeing accused Airbus of refusing to comply with WTO rulings in the long-running case and pushing the U.S. toward placing tariffs on European exports.

“Airbus could still completely avoid these tariffs by coming into full compliance with its obligations,” the Chicago-based company said. “We hope it will finally do that.”


U.S. carriers with Airbus fleets said the levies could lead to higher fares and threaten jobs.

“Imposing tariffs on aircraft that U.S. companies have already committed to will inflict serious harm on U.S. airlines, the millions of Americans they employ and the traveling public,” Delta Air Lines Inc. DAL -2.91% said.

The WTO is set to rule on Boeing’s subsidies early next year, at which point the EU will be authorized to strike back with tariffs of its own.

An eight-page list of the goods facing 25% tariffs published Wednesday by the USTR includes a wide assortment of popular European foodstuffs such as coffees, olives, cheeses, liqueurs and cordials. Industrial goods making the list include electromechanical tools and backhoes.

Other tariff threats loom over the EU. President Trump is poised to decide by Nov. 13 whether to tax cars and auto parts from Europe, risking a rapid escalation of duties on trans-Atlantic automotive trade worth some $100 billion. Leaders of a new EU administration, slated to take office Nov. 1, have urged Mr. Trump to avoid a trade war.

Washington is able to move quickly because it had previously published a list of up to $21 billion of European goods that were candidates for tariffs. Brussels has a $20 billion list of U.S. exports to target.

“If somebody is imposing tariffs on our aviation companies, we will do exactly the same,” European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said Wednesday evening in Brussels at an event held by the American Chamber of Commerce to the European Union.

EU Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmström said the U.S. hasn’t responded to an EU proposal from July for a comprehensive plan to regulate subsidies for the civil-aircraft industry and establish a global framework.

A senior USTR official said Europe hadn’t reached out for negotiations until last month, adding that the U.S. hopes the new tariffs will bring Europe to the table.

A U.S.-EU fight at a time Russia and China are subsidizing their aircraft makers to compete with the world’s two biggest plane manufacturers would be counterproductive, European officials said.

Europe could consider imposing tariffs before pursuing a broader settlement and even before the WTO rules on its case against Boeing, according to EU diplomats.

To avoid doing nothing until that WTO ruling, the EU is considering revoking a settlement with the U.S. from 2006 over tax exemptions for international sales structures used by Boeing and other U.S. companies known as foreign-sales corporations.
Such a move could affect some $4 billion worth of U.S. exports, but also risks unraveling decades of similar trade settlements.


Story here:

Well, Barack me.
 
You guys ditched the memory item?
Yup. Our memory items are:

EGPWS Alerts
Emer descent
Loss of braking
Stall recovery
Stall recovery at liftoff
TCAS warnings
Unable to maintain altitude/engine failure driftdown
Unreliable speed
Windshear
Windshear ahead (red)
 
Yup. Our memory items are:

EGPWS Alerts
Emer descent
Loss of braking
Stall recovery
Stall recovery at liftoff
TCAS warnings
Unable to maintain altitude/engine failure driftdown
Unreliable speed
Windshear
Windshear ahead (red)

I'm shocked anyone signed off on that. Being able to quickly put the airplane into alternate law is something that should have been a memory item from day 1. Hell, I'm surprised there isn't a single button or switch that will do it.
 
EGPWS Alerts
Emer descent
Loss of braking
Stall recovery
Stall recovery at liftoff
TCAS warnings
Unable to maintain altitude/engine failure driftdown
Unreliable speed
Windshear
Windshear ahead (red)
Reasonably standard Airbus fare, though we call half of those something else, but still have to have 'em memorized.

The Barrister's opinion is also correct, though. Technically we don't have it as a memory item, merely an OEB...I consider it a self-preservation memory item, like the flap-versus-minimum airspeed table for a prop overspeed on the Brasilia.
 
I'm shocked anyone signed off on that. Being able to quickly put the airplane into alternate law is something that should have been a memory item from day 1. Hell, I'm surprised there isn't a single button or switch that will do it.
Reasonably standard Airbus fare, though we call half of those something else, but still have to have 'em memorized.

The Barrister's opinion is also correct, though. Technically we don't have it as a memory item, merely an OEB...I consider it a self-preservation memory item, like the flap-versus-minimum airspeed table for a prop overspeed on the Brasilia.
We have it as an OEB on the very few (-319s?) that dont have the software update. Sharp guys who figured it out the first time!

 
The A320 series had the exact same problem, but the crew was able to turn off enough computers to force the airplane into alternate law.

It's a memory item now, and I imagine it always will be.

Software update. You may even have it now.
 
Reasonably standard Airbus fare, though we call half of those something else, but still have to have 'em memorized.

The Barrister's opinion is also correct, though. Technically we don't have it as a memory item, merely an OEB...I consider it a self-preservation memory item, like the flap-versus-minimum airspeed table for a prop overspeed on the Brasilia.

“Turn two ADR’s off”

”Which two?”

”Any two”

”But how are we to know?”

”Hey, you two hug it out, amma go get me an RC from the sim breakroom at stare at the wall for a while”
 
“Turn two ADR’s off”

”Which two?”

”Any two”

”But how are we to know?”

”Hey, you two hug it out, amma go get me an RC from the sim breakroom at stare at the wall for a while”

mmmm. RC. !
 
@Skåning I wanna say that a couple of our 320s still have the OEB for the abnormal alpha prot? That was my impression. The A319s still have it, the latest email update said this OEB 48 will be removed but it's scheduled to be completed in Spring 2021 because they'll do it when the planes go in for the heavy checks. N525VA came out of the heavy check and has removed the OEB requirement. So for the next 1.5 yrs, it is still important to check the list of OEBs and make sure we're aware if that airplane is affected or not.


@jtrain609 At our shop it's like how ATBlue's shop is. It wasn't a memory item, but an OEB which basically requires you to turn off 2 ADRs. So technically not a memory item but it kinda is a memory item. And abnorval alpha prot OEB has not been removed entirely from the fleet, not until Spring 2021 once the last 319s go through the heavy checks and get the software updated.




Regardless of the OEB being removed or not, one would think it's always a prudent idea to know how to stop flight control protections in case they go haywire for some reason and start activating. I'll always remember that two ADRs off puts you into alternate law. @Derg I brief that if I'm flying, ADR 2 and 3 off. The danger is that if ADR1 was one of the malfunctioning things that caused your problems, you have unreliable airspeed data. Regardless, at this point we'd have to revert to pitch/power settings and disregard the IAS on the PFD.
 
“Turn two ADR’s off”

”Which two?”

”Any two”

”But how are we to know?”

”Hey, you two hug it out, amma go get me an RC from the sim breakroom at stare at the wall for a while”
If we’re below pattern or MSA, we climb like hell until we aren’t and then we figure out which one is right.

Good enough? All airplanes, including yours, out of the way, sir!
 
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